Who Do You Believe, and Why?

Guest Post by Todd Hayen

There is an awful lot of “I know I’m right” chatter going around on both sides. I am just curious, what makes you so sure you are right? And what makes them so sure they are right? Unless you are Einstein or something, I’m sure you are like the rest of us and need to get most of your information from another source.

Sure, you can apply common sense and gut intuition to the information you receive from other expert sources, but I doubt if you would let Uncle Bob do surgery on your brain unless Uncle Bob is a well trained brain surgeon, “hey, let me at that tumour in there, all I need is a good pair of needle nose pliers and I’ll just pluck that nasty little bugger right out.” (Sorry, I just had to revisit Uncle Bob, the DIY Neurosurgeon.) Don’t think so.

So what makes Dr. XYZ neurosurgeon better than Dr. ABC? We don’t need to go into that here, but I am sure you get the point. (See my “sister” article “Creating a World of Distrust” to see a different angle to all of this.) There could be many factors that would make you choose one over the other, and unless you are making your choice in some third world country where the education is known to be dicey, usually your choice is based on the “best of the best,” i.e., most likely any board certified brain surgeon is going to do a good job. Most likely you are not going to diss Dr. ABC if you chose Dr. XYZ and say things like, “Dr. ABC is a complete ass, he doesn’t know a scalpel from a butter knife!” Although that IS possible, most likely that possibility is an outlier on the bell curve.

So let’s look at this idea from the perspective of Covid, pandemics, and what is going on in the world today.

Why is everybody who has made a particular stance on all of this, so damn sure they are right? More importantly, why do they insist on denigrating anyone who is not on the same side they are on? Sure, we can all rant and rave about the obviousness of our choices. But I do try to refrain from insults thrown at opposing parties. I may throw a few uglies at people I know are intentionally deceiving us, but it takes a lot to convince me that every single person in on all this is consciously malicious and evil. (Let’s see if I am proven wrong!)

When it comes to very debatable issues, such as germ theory vs terrain theory, or Covid as a reality vs Covid as a complete hoax, I think it is important to have an open mind, to some degree at least, and even if we are in a position to say, “I’ll die on that hill,” we must understand that there IS a possible argument against our stance out there, and because of that we have to recognize that perfectly intelligent and well educated people have a viable position they can take.

I am also particularly dismayed by folks who will wipe away any accomplishment some people have made in this fight, people like Robert Kennedy Jr., or Del Bigtree with ICAN, or Dr. Robert Malone, because they have been inconsistent in their allegiances, maybe at times implying they “believe in viruses” or “believe there was a pandemic of sorts” or “believe some vaccines could be helpful.”

Sure, some of these positions fly in the face of a lot of things we hold as fact. But I do not think it is prudent to dismiss all of the work they have done in the name of truth. It sometimes makes me wonder if people that denigrate these people are actually working for the “other side” (controlled opposition?) in an effort to discredit some of the most powerful, and dedicated, among us.

Going back to the question, “who do you believe and why?” Let’s take the germ vs terrain theory as an example.

The germ theory has been around a very long while. So has the terrain theory, just as long actually because it began as a disagreement between two leading scientists back in the late 19th century, Louis Pasteur with his germ theory, and Antoine Béchamp with terrain theory. Needless to say, Pasteur won the popular debate and now modern medicine revolves around the theory that germs cause disease and disease is transmitted person to person.

The debate really never ended and still rages on to this day. This article will not concern itself with which theory is correct (although I am pretty certain where most of you, including me, stand). The point here is why do people believe one and not the other? If you were a scientist directly studying these two theories, you would be in a better position to argue either point. But if you are not a scientist, and are relying on the research of other scientists, then of course you are at a disadvantage. There are several other criteria you would have to rely on to determine, for yourself, which horse you are going to lay your money on.

This is a challenge we are all faced with everyday: if we do not do our own scientific experimentation, and our general lack of specific knowledge, or even the intelligence, to make our own empirical evaluation of opposing ideas, how do we do it? Well, a large part of it is relying on “what makes sense to us” when either theory is explained. But of course, again, if we are not scientists we really can’t put too much weight in a rather subjective evaluation.

We might know something about science, and might do extensive research, therefore our choice could have some objective veracity to it. But then again, we can never be thoroughly certain. Even accomplished scientists have a difficult time discerning truth from theory. And in fact, this “uncertainty” is the essence of scientific debate. If the best scientists in the world are still open to discussion and debate about opposing theories, then how can we close off a decision of one over the other to further scrutiny?

I am not suggesting that only the scientist experts know the answer. That is far from what I am suggesting, I am only saying what any of us “find out” is subject to debate. I only think we should stay aware of the very thing we are fighting for: freedom to express all ideas.

I certainly weigh in other criteria in determining which side of an argument I stand on, as I am sure most of you do. I generally will pay a lot of attention to the underdog theory because those touting it have nothing to lose, whereas the established “truth” has a lot to lose if it fails deeper scrutiny. Certainly if there is money behind one theory and not the other one, I tend to pay more attention to the money-poor theory before rooting for the bottomless pockets. But neither of these criteria are iron clad, of course, so other factors have to be integrated into the debate before I can back either horse in the race.

Once all that can be considered within our limited ability to understand all things considered, a choice is made. But the other choice is always sitting by the wayside, ready to reveal more information that may, or may not, make it more compelling. I see all too often a radical, and often dogmatic, rejection of the opposing argument with no consideration regarding the possibility we don’t have it 100% in the bag. Isn’t this the very thing we are fighting for?—the allowance, and tolerance, for debate and discussion?

There are a lot of things I would stake my life on being correct—that I have made the right choice regarding which theory to stand behind. But I hope that I would not be one to ever attack the other side with vitriol and accusation, calling whoever believes in the opposition a liar (some are, I know, but not all). I don’t think it works that way. Liars are consciously malicious and deceitful.

A person who has decided on differing perspectives from the mainstream, or differing perspectives from the alternate challenging position, are not always liars, but many are fellow searchers of truth, and should be treated as such—with respect and regard. They may be misguided, and they may need more information, but they are not always the enemy.

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45 Comments
hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 7:06 am

It isn’t so much that we know something is true, it’s that we are able to recognize when something isn’t.

That gives you a 50% greater chance of making the right choice.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 7:35 am

Exactly. It’s not so much about knowing the exact right answer as it is about being able (and willing) to identify obviously wrong answers.
I give you three seconds to answer the following two questions:

A. What is 173 x 18?
3, … 2, … 1 …
Couldn’t even get out the calculator, huh?

B. Does 173 x 18 = 4?
3, .. what?!? You already know that that’s the wrong answer?!

Point is, it’s usually easier to identify an obviously wrong answer than an exactly correct one. It doesn’t take a PhD to know when someone is pissing down your back and telling you it’s raining.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 8:04 am

I have to question the math, as I believe there are a shitload more lies floating around out there than there are truths. That’s gonna skew your percentages all day long.

Lurker
Lurker
  hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 10:49 am

Beat me to it. I use my bullshit detector (an innate ability), and the liars are the usual suspects. I use them as sort of a contrary indicator.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 10:57 am

What do I believe and why?
I believe I have a backache. Why, because I work my ass off all day every day.
Reality controls what a man believes. Government controls what a fool believes.
The dirty rotten government bastards live off people like me.
This game is almost to the end where we see who wins and who loses.
I am looking forward to the collapse of this false prosperity.
WW3 is the end of the $ game. The USA has already lost.
Russia and China, along with India, and others are going to kill the western worlds banking system.
The false prosperity that our fake money has given us is about to end.
The $ is nothing soon, worth less than used toilet paper.
When every dam thing you can buy is made in China and you start shit, you have nothing to buy.
When your $ buys nothing, it is worth nothing.
I believe you best spend all the fake $s you have while they can still find something to buy.
What to buy??? anything that you can keep and hold on to.
The $ is dust in the wind or kind of like storing water in a bucket full of holes now.
Get rid of the dam things as soon as you can. Don’t stop earning them, just stop holding them.
China has now stopped holding them and Russia stopped accepting them years ago.
They went on a de facto gold standard and so should anybody that isn’t a fool.
The money printers are now on steroids and the more $s they print, the less they buy.
This is so simple even a government bitch could figure it out.
Game over.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 7:12 am

Who do I believe? I’m going to need to check their physiognomy before I can answer that question.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 9:11 am

You’re learning.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  hardscrabble farmer
March 26, 2023 2:34 pm

The punchline being, none of us has a verifiable face here.

ken31
ken31
  World War Zero
March 26, 2023 5:55 pm

You might be surprised.

Lurker
Lurker
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 10:55 am

More of a phrenology guy myself. Never trust a pinhead, even if they should try to disguise their self with a man bun.

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
March 26, 2023 7:30 am

Dr. Vladimir Raikov.
Why? It would take 44 days to explain, so it is best for you to discover.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 26, 2023 8:18 am

I’ve said from the beginning that Covid was a hoax, and I’ve seen no evidence presented that’s changed my mind. If you want me to believe that Covid is real, then you simply have to provide the studies that prove that the virus has been isolated, and sequenced, and that the very same virus that’s been isolated is the same virus that’s been isolated from the tissue samples of hundreds of other people.

Those studies don’t exist, nor will they ever exist, and the studies that exist claiming isolation of the virus can be easily picked apart to show that nothing even approaching isolation of a virus is occuring.

If you have no virus, then you have no pandemic.

Obbledy
Obbledy
  Anonymous
March 26, 2023 8:57 am

Fort McHenry(I think) was shut down in August of 2019 and I contracted SOMETHING that kicked my ass for two weeks in late September,some symptoms I’m still dealing with(extremely modified sense of smell and taste)so,yeah dude, it was real!….It’s release was around the fort and blamed on e-cigs,it was a created chimera that quickly devolved upon release.Thats the problem with artificial creations like that,NATURE will not let it exist in that form ,BECAUSE ITS NOT NATURAL.
I get so tired of this”I’m not a scientist”or”I’m not a doctor”cop-out!Apparently you also are unable to retain any “COMMON SENSE”…..you know “horse sense” or “walking around sense”……you know why they called it “horse sense”??…..because even a horse knew better!…..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Obbledy
March 26, 2023 9:07 am

It has to be real because I got sick!! Why would the government lie to us!! Who needs proof anyway!!

You poor thing. God blees you.

Obbledy
Obbledy
March 26, 2023 8:43 am

IDK,it’s interesting this search for truth on this planet!….
I think too many people look for singular “theories” or ideas to fix multi layered problems…
I really do think the Bible is the answer,all the human issues one may experience in life are there!….
It’s not about interpretation it’s about WHAT IT SAYS!..
Many things are quite clear as to which deserve praise or admonishment.
When it becomes about YOU,you have lost focus….

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Obbledy
March 26, 2023 8:56 am

I really do think the Bible is the answer, all the human issues one may experience in life are there!….

I have come to this conclusion myself. And I’m not saying that from any Holy Roller perspective.

Want to become an expert on human nature? Read the Bible.

Don’t believe in violence? Well what does the Bible imply? A time for war and a time for a peace. Seasons…and all that jazz.

It’s amazing how so much from the Bible gets reworded and repackaged and comes out of another man’s mouth…and that man gets all the credit. We are such blind stupid humans.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 1:37 pm

I really do think the Bible is the answer, all the human issues one may experience in life are there!….

I have come to this conclusion myself. And I’m not saying that from any Holy Roller perspective.

For some people, books like the bible provide enough direction.

For others, it takes more.
I studied the bible intensly for over 30 years, but it wasn’t until branching out in all directions that my eyes were opened to the larger connections and meanings in the bible

If one imagines ones own life lessons and experiences as individual panels on a large rubik’s cube, how many panels would each one’s rubik’s cube have?

Obviously in this illustration, the more panels, the more skills and life lessons
one has collected.
___________

Another point,

The idea we are right or wrong can be tested a bit by asking ourselves where we stood on any particular issue a year ago, ten years ago, twenty etc.
Once we realize how our own views and values change over time we can allow others latitude to be incorrect at any given moment, because guess what, many of them are walking where we once walked and may arrive at our location later.
[We of course should have continued our journey and no longer be at the location; after all, Jesus called it “the road that leads to life” not “the bus bench of salvation”]
___________

I see a current on this comment section and TBP.
And that current appears to me to be genuine concern for fellow man.

It’s just that it is difficult to see that a man heading the right direction while still on a wrong path is at least heading in the right direction.

It’s also far too easy to pretend we were not fooled too.
____________

Thank you for the article Mr Todd H.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Obbledy
March 26, 2023 9:01 am

Man, you won this thread today…

I think too many people look for singular “theories” or ideas to fix multi layered problems…

YES! People are rushing out to buy the latest & greatest book from some “expert” seeking info for one particular problem or thinking this “expert” will teach them how to think…or whatever. We no longer look inward for answers. We seek expert opinions constantly. It’s an illness.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 9:27 am

We seek expert opinions constantly. It’s an illness.

Its an escape from responsibility. The ‘its not my fault’ card can be played to absolve the mind of responsibility for poor choices.

ken31
ken31
  anon a moos
March 26, 2023 5:59 pm

I think it is fear of not finding a solution more than application of blame that leads to avoidance.

Lurker
Lurker
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 11:22 am

I tend to trust those who are humans first and experts second. I can smell hubris. The voices that matter are not shouting.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Abigail Adams
March 26, 2023 2:13 pm

Another issue is that many humans have become as binary as their digital toys. Everything is black or white, 1 or 0, right or wrong.

Subtlety, grey areas, degree of, etc. are foreign concepts to these people.

Simpletons need simple answers. Combine that with a 7 second attention span and, here we are.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Anonymous
March 26, 2023 4:00 pm

Combine that with a 7 second attention span and

Voila

The perfect consumer.

Boogie
Boogie
March 26, 2023 9:25 am

The red flag for me is when the “experts” are referenced as the source of the information.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Boogie
March 26, 2023 4:02 pm

The red flag for me is when the “experts” are referenced as the source of the information

Can I quote you on that?

Lol

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
March 26, 2023 9:27 am

Bullwinkle – “I saw it on the TV!!! It must be true!!!”

Guest
Guest
March 26, 2023 9:57 am

Propaganda for the mentioned people, especially Kennedy. Doubt yourself, and if you don’t you might get sued by Malone for 25 million.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 26, 2023 10:29 am

It’s not a choice between the 2 theories for those who took the clot shot anymore then it was a choice of 2 theories on trade ,absolute vs comparative advantage , while Trump was president.

NPR became the bastion of free trade . Yet non of its listeners could explain Comparative advantage.

This is all you need to know about human nature.

Dan
Dan
March 26, 2023 10:41 am

Just 16 comments in right now and already a significant minority with that snarky “I’m right because I say so” delivery the article was talking about. All without any hint of self-awareness.

Apparently there’s something called the Dunning-Kruger Effect, described in the link as “the less we know, the more we think we know“. Another version might be “the less people know, the more stubbornly they know it”.

While gnoring people who try to bully you into accepting their views rather than argue intelligently might seem the obvious choice, there are a lot of weak-minded people who prefer being told what to think.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dan
March 26, 2023 2:10 pm

DK = The stupid lack the skill to understand that they are stupid.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Anonymous
March 26, 2023 4:17 pm

DK = The stupid lack the skill to understand that they are stupid.

Yes.
The ‘stupid ‘ lack the skill to know…more.

I believe this is a common view people acquire after taking a step up the knowledge ladder; while looking down at the people on the step below them…
where they just came from….

Completely unaware the steps on the ladder continue….above them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Euddolen ap Afallach
March 26, 2023 4:31 pm

The truly stupid are stupid, full stop. They are static. There will be no improvement.

We all start ignorant. The marginally stupid CHOOSE to remain that way. Willful ignorance.

At least that is how I see it.

But then I may be a mutant. I absorb and process information at a rate I see in no others. Always have. School was a boring breeze where I pissed off many of my teachers by having a better understanding of the subjects than they had. Correct a teacher and watch the indignant rage.

Walt
Walt
March 26, 2023 10:44 am

The most important thing to consider in regards to what you know, is how you came to know it.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
March 26, 2023 12:02 pm

I believe my life observations are correct.
We living humans are the current links in a chain of life that reveals life comes from life.
We do not will ourselves into existence.
Neither do we will ourselves to cease.
We do not consciously keep our life functions running.
We do not control the universal cycles which make life possible.
Sun. Seasons. Seeds. Rain. Fertile soil.
In reality, we humans are temporary occupants of earth.
If we devoted more life to tending our planet like a garden, we would have fewer problems is what I believe.
Why?
Because caring for the food providing cycles seems important.
Eating a healthy garden to plate diet would resolve many health problems, which would resolve many financial problems…..
______

I seem to recall reading something along the lines of “cultivate the earth and have in subjection the animals” somewhere.
Also,
Seems to be a commandment that is scrupulously omitted from conversation.

lgr
lgr
March 26, 2023 12:11 pm

Just going to throw the Nicene Creed here, to answer the headline question.

I believe in one God; the Father; the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.
Of all things. Visible, and invisible.
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ; the only son of God.
Born of the Father before all ages.
God from god, Light from light; true God from true god.
Begotten, not made. Consubstantial (one in being) with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and our salvation, He came down from heaven,
and by the power of the Holy Spirit
was born incarnate of the virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake, He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the 3rd day He rose again, in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God.
He will come again, in glory, to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit. The Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son; is adored and glorified;
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one holy and Catholic and apostolic church.
I confess one baptism, for the forgiveness of sin, and
I look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

NtroP
NtroP
March 26, 2023 1:50 pm

The pandemic just didn’t pass the “sniff test’. Common sense.
The vaccine was experimental; unproven. Not even a vaccine.
Never have I seen the government push anything this hard. Never!
Threaten your life, your business, everything, if you don’t comply.
This from government who can’t get anything right, ever, and continually lies about almost everything.
Wasn’t that hard to figure out……

monger
monger
March 26, 2023 1:59 pm

About 3-4 years ago i believed i was on top of the hill in knowledge and existence at least for me, ahead of the game, but it’s all been a quite humbling experience. God’s way of kicking me in the ass so to speak. Who and why ? i can only say Christ and his words.

WTF
WTF
March 26, 2023 2:16 pm

Pasteur did not “win the debate”. Big money won the debate. Big damn difference.

Stucky
Stucky
March 26, 2023 4:37 pm

I’m right. You’re wrong.

A simple truth. My truth. I believe in … me.

I am not God.

Yet.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 26, 2023 5:10 pm

LOL.

Euddolen ap Afallach
Euddolen ap Afallach
  Anonymous
March 26, 2023 6:52 pm

Sweet share Anon!
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it………”

Walter
Walter
March 26, 2023 5:29 pm

The universe is perfect just as it is right now. It was perfect a thousand years ago. It will be perfect a thousand years from now. All sound and fury, signifying nothing… and everything.

bigfoot
bigfoot
March 27, 2023 2:07 am

Pasteur massaged his data. The climate scientists did, too. The gov’t does that all the time with its war mongering and much else. The Fed lies with statistics as a matter of course. A guy with a dick says he’s a woman and is believed. The evidence that supports the above statements is readily acquired, yet the author here thinks “to each his own” or some other damn nonsense.

Visayas Outpost
Visayas Outpost
March 27, 2023 4:36 am

It has been said that simply going along with the crowd will make you right a lot more often than following your ‘gut’ or own internal compass. But when the crowd is wrong it will be catastrophically wrong.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
March 27, 2023 11:01 am

What was the point…why write this bilge, was it for a paycheck?