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 Another fantastic article Jim and dead on. Pickens plan would good for light trucks and other utility vehicles. Coal for heating oil. Build 45 nuke plants supplying much needed jobs and permanent replacement of 70% of all petroleum using electric cars. That's my wish list. You can see the double-speak in Washington. Last year, coal was dirty and NASTY! This year Obama has commercials about clean coal.

A year ago I joked online with people about when hydrogen vehicles become mass produced how all of a sudden we will have 'water shortages'. I knew that those whom control the perverted lending model known as Central Banking/Fractional Reserve lending alongside our corrupt politicians be the culprit of such shortages. I was a little taken back when I saw and article by Goldman Sachs that stated the U.S. would have a water shortage sometime in the future. Peak oil meaning easy to extract oil is here. It will only be massive pain that gets the U.S. citizen off the couch to vote out the gatekeepers keeping our broken monetary, fiscal and energy policies intact. The politicians have there direct paws into the wind plan from Pickens as well (despite the great merits of the plan) . See this article I wrote back in the summer of 2008. This will quantify a lot of the problem and what Jim is really speaking of: http://ragingdebate.com/article1.php 

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 Follow the money. Watch what the Investment Banks do in regards to oil speculation. Like 2008, this will greatly amplify the effect of the PPB. Investors as a whole know the dollar is being destroyed. Matt Simmons is correct, it won't take five years to get to $200 oil, it will happen in less then two years. Gasoline will be more in the line of $6 a gallon and heating oil $5.50 at it's heights. Just what the American people need during a depression.

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Jim - - -

If we don't solve the energy problem, nothing much else matters.  There is no one individual solution, but the whatever the solutions they must have the same characteristic:  they must build capacity faster than oil production fades.

One factor that is not much discussed is the value of oil as a chemical.  Every barrel we burn is another barrel of raw material for tars, asphalt, polymers, plastics, composites and petrochemicals that is gone forever.  Yes, we can get carbon raw material from coal, but at a great deal larger cost and environmental impact.

You have written about the energy problem before and you should keep making the case for action.  Too many people are arguing that we shouldn't put effort into developing alternative energy sources because current costs (for alternatives) are 2x, 3x, 4x (I have even heard arguments of 10x) current coal and oil costs.  To me, these arguments have as much merit as saying the roof leak doesn't have to be repaired because it isn't raining.  We're going to start when oil is $150 again?  Or when it is $200 or $300 or even higher?

Environmental factors may be important, but, in my mind, they are trumped by the economic issues.  If climate factors are mitigated and polution is diminished, that is a bonus to keeping a viable socio-economic model working. 

 

 

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With all this talk about oil, is anyone considering playing it, or at least hedging yourself against higher gas prices?

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Haven't read through the entire article yet, busy at wort, but I'll comment again when I thoroughly read it. I just want to say that the solution to the inevitable energy crisis we will experience sooner than most people think involves two sides: SUPPLY and DEMAND.

Most people are already aware of the SUPPLY side, this means new and alternative energies. What makes petroluem based energy so difficult to replace is that it has the best energy ouput and the most compact form. With today's technology and processes, no other energy ressource we have comes anywhere close. As far as we know, there is no magic bullet solution to this, the only possibility I see is a mix of diverse energy source which depends on the local ressources.

And then there is part two, which VERY, VERY FEW are talking about, the DEMAND side which involves ENERGY CONSERVATION. The waste in energy created by our social structure and habits is nauseating. Huge  McMansions with air-conditioners on full blast and windows open, located 30+ miles from city centers, and SUVs in the driveway. This cannot and certainly will not go on much longer. Correcting this seems obvious but this is barely scratching the surface. Energy affects everything in our modern lives, everything from food supply to clothing.

We have to be ready to give up certain standards in our lives (i.e Ceasar Salad year with lettuce flown in from California) or else $200/barrel of oil will look like a bargain. Most people are not ready for this sacrifice, even though some of those changes are so trivial.

The solution to this crisis will involve a major cultural change at the entire society, but I look forward to be a part of that change.

Please read "The Party's Over" by Richard Heinburg, one of the most devastatingly eye-opening books I have ever read about the imminent energy crisis. He has a more recent one called "Peak Everything".

later ...

TheBurningPlatform.com - Robmu1
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I am looking forward to this pending disaster more than the prior 10 that Jim has helpfully previewed for us.  Thinking this through, when oil hits $500 a barrell and gas hits $20 a gallon, my employer will be forced to allow me to work from home in order to remain competitive with the other companies in the area that will allow their employees to do so, assuming that there are any companies left.  Now, I will save at least an hour a day without the commute, which I will immediately put to use by sleeping in.  Once I wake, I will move right to the coffee machine, bypassing the shower and shave, which will save water and the energy to heat it, not to mention soap and shampoo and shaving cream (I will continue to brush my teeth for obvious reasons).  With my coffee I will move to my office, where I will begin checking my personal email, which really won't make me any more productive since I spend a lot of time today doing personal stuff at the office like the rest of you, led by Jim, whose productivity has plunged as The Burning Platform's popularity has soared.  I will glance at my work email and answer stuff from people who are able to affect my position at the office.  The others can wait (read: from sub-Director level) until after I am able to attend to the things around the house that I am usually not able to get to due to the pesky requirements of my company - cutting the grass, cleaning up, caulking around the garage doors, etc.  Also, I will also be able to exercise more with the time I would normally devote to walking around the office and chatting up the aforementioned important people to ensure that I am in the loop on things.  I will be healthier even though it won't appear so since I won't be showered or shaven.  Perhaps others will notice and think that I have fallen on hard times and be nicer to me, yet another benefit from the impending energy cataclysm.  Finally, I will meet my children at the bus stop during the mid-afternoon sugar search, which will provide a double-benefit:  I will be exercising during the time I would normally be scouring the candy dishes at the office.  So, in summary, I will be more rested, have more money, be healthier, have the peace of mind that comes from having accomplished things at home, be closer to my children and will have people being nicer to me.  What's not to like about this scenario?  Here's hoping for Peak Oil!

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In the days of Peak Oil, there is a lot of talk about alternative energy such as wind, solar, nuclear, coal, natural gas, etc. but little is mentioned about how most of these won't fill the needs caused by depleted oil in time to do any good.  Pickens' plan calls for getting 20% of our energy from wind by 2020.  Yikes!  By 2020 oil will be priceless and the economies running off of it, bankrupt.  There are other similar projections out there on the other "popular" methods, none of which have a whole lot of chance of making it in time.

What is ignored is the research being done in what many call the "fringe" energies: over-unity, zero-point energy, anti-gravity (recently disclosed as having been kept a government secret for 3 decades) etc.  Today much of the work of Tesla has been replicated on the bench all over the world, yet is ignored as "science fiction" or at best misunderstood.  Type any one of the above mentioned energies into a search engine and you will find much garbage, yet also serious men and women working on this stuff without funding, ignored, ridiculed, but conscious of the impending doom of oil dependency.  If we are going to fund anything, why not gather these guys up, sit down with them, go over their discoveries, see which actually work and may be viable and put some money into them. If Tesla and others are right, there is practically infinite energy all around us, and it just needs to be tapped.  Tesla's big problem with JP Morgan financing his stuff was Morgan turned it off when he found no way to make money from free energy.  But in the national interest this would be less a factor and worth the investigation.  

And for all the scientists who pooh-pooh this stuff, stand in the back of the room and shut up.  Or get on board and go take a serious look at it - get out of your ivory towers and armchairs.  History is fraught with new ideas and inventions being denigrated by the "establishment", until they finally arrive, so what else is new?  We don't have a lot of time, let's entertain a bit of "thinking outside the box" on this subject. 

Some links for you skeptics or those interested in the possibilities:

http://www.cheniere.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGlUZg2pC0Q

 

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I fully agree that we have serious problems to address in the future with oil. However, there are two ways to look at this:

1) Glass half empty: High oil is a disaster for the US and we will be left to a Mad Max existence where your feral wolf child will fend of neighbors with a steel boomerang.

2) Glass half full: Oil will go up, but the worse it becomes the faster alternatives become economically viable. This is where America shines - our innovation to real problems (currently these problems are still perceived as hypothetical or future problems). For example, imagine wind and solar are viable at $100 barrel oil. In a short period of time alternatives can step in and Boon Pickens can buy his shirt back.

Problem is, even with a rosy outlook, the time to market for alternatives might take too long to market to stop pain and suffering. As my father once said, “Boy, you need to learn to expand your comfort zone.”

TheBurningPlatform.com - Anonymous
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None of this will matter if there is a depopulation event. Just like the financial crisis was planned, so is depopulation. Watch the movie Endgame to learn more.

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Let's see...less oil each day...more industrialization...about 2 billion people in China and India starting to consume more oil, 50% population growth during next fifty years...USA and it's citizens are dependent on oil...the crap hit the fan last year with only $4/gallon gasoline...the US economy teetering on the brink...this in my opinion is a recipe for horrific disaster!!

It's quite easy to envision the scenario, or maybe I should say panic, that might develop if terrorists destroy a couple of oil refineries, or a natural occurrence disrupts a pipeline, or one or more large oil fields goes dry, or China and India gain more market share of oil leaving the USA wanting or without, or a regional war (perhaps nuclear) anywhere in the Middle East.

And I don't see a single sign of citizens and business in the USA slowing oil consumption.  We are not prepared for minor disruptions never mind large scale problems.  Oil and potable water are the two largest factors to sustain what we have worked so hard to achieve...and to survive the next couple of decades...

 

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I read James Kunsler's "The Long Emergency" a year ago, so this fine article was no surprise. Still, the visual aspects should be a wake-up call to those who don't like to read words because it makes their lips hurt ...

 

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Jim..I disagree this time. I believe that there is more untapped oil in the Alaskan ranges than all of the Middle East. Peak Oil is a reality but it's done via market manipulation.

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peak oil needs to be expanded to include oil not recoverable at current pricing.

at $200 per barrel, a lot of alternative sources of energy become viable.

 

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Unfortunately there is a "VERY BIG" hole in this article!

If we believe that there is only a limited supply of Oil, and if we believe that the demand for Oil cannot be severely reduced,

then  how did the Crude Oil market suffer the worst plunge in the history of Crude Oil?

Someone is very wrong here!

As the Market is very rarely wrong, the Crude Oil market says the Experts are just good bs artists.

 

Remember the Experts also created the Sub-Prime  Derivatives market that has just broken the financial system of the world!

That's Two out of Two Wrong for the Experts!

Oh, and they also told us Real Estate couldn't fall in price! 

That goes along with Buy And Hold for your 401!k/IRAs

 

Why does anyone even listen to these clowns?

 

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'As the market is very rarely wrong'... bwahahaha... mwhahahaha... stop it, surely you jest

All prices are set at the margin. This concept is beyond many people. If the world market was seen as 2 people who each need 50 gallons of gas per day to get to work, then demand is 100 gallons per day at $2.00 a gallon. If the supply drops to 95 gallons per day, these people still need to get to work. A bidding war erupts for those last 5 gallons, driving the price up for all 100 gallons. The worldwide recession has temporarily reduced demand enough to drive prices lower. That supply demand equation won't last.

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A very thought provoking read.  Thank you.

Since this is inevitable, would it be wise to shift some cash to the energy sector, IYO?

As a aside, has anyone read a follow up to the solar energy breathrough at M.I.T.?

 

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totally agree.....crude oil is going to jump for several reasons

 

here my article (translated by google): http://translate.google.ch/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.crottaz-finance.ch%2F%3Fp%3D313&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

and also commodities after crisis

http://translate.google.ch/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.crottaz-finance.ch%2F%3Fp%3D1768&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

fasten your seat belts

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Daniel

There is no glut. Our oil inventories are at the same levels as 2007. Based on everything I've read, the prices we are experiencing today will be short-lived. CNBC had the former CEO of Shell on this morning. His view was exactly the same as mine. The next 10 years will be ugly. The morons interviewing him had no clue what he was saying.

I would highly recommend reading through Matt Simmons' powerpoint presentations at this link.

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=msspeeches

 

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Eventually we need to address the population problem.  Oil is only one resource in limited supply. Next is water and after that will be topsoil. 

Unless we want to have the collective intelligence of bacteria in a petri dish we need to start addressing population growth. 

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 One aspect of our problem that may have been omitted in your article that may help explain the U.S.'s unbalanced consumption levels--USD hegemony. The dollar being the worlds reserve currency helps to subsidize U.S. consumption. Foreigners buying U.S. debt because the dollar is the worlds reserve currency has incrementally allowed our government to go from the worlds top creditor nation to worlds leading debtor nation. It appears that our government plans to inflate/depreciate our way out of debt causing the world to back away from the dollar at the same time that this capacity for growth in producing energy unfolds.

 

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Some say we are running out. Some say we are not. My take. Oil is being used as a political football. And at least two solutions are hoped for. Some want a go ahead to drill, and drill, now and anywhere. (I hope for this). Some want huge investments in wind, solar and other green's. (I do not hope for this). If as and when oil  becomes scarce, investment in alternate energy souces will happen automatically, if free enterprise is left alone. In the interim, and the green's should not be opposed to this, approval should be given for construction of many nuclear facilities. This is a no brainer and would solve our energy problem relatively quickly. In summary, oil drilling and nuclear programs should go ahead full steam. Green programs should be secondary at this time. Why? They are expensive, require taxpayer subsidies and accomplish very little is the short term.

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Mulligan

New nuclear plants would be welcome, but you can't fillup your SUV at a nuclear facility. I don't think wind turbines need subsidies from the government. What we do need from the government is quick approvals to build the damn things. This we won't get because we will need to protect the 3 yellow bellyed double breasted warblers that might be harmed in the construction of the wind turbines. Greenies hate nuclear too, because of the waste that we can't put into the underground caverns that were built with billions of our tax dollars and now won't be used.

If we did everything starting today: drill, nuclear, wind, solar, higher gas mileage requirements, cap and trade - it will still not avert $200 oil in the next 10 years. We've ignored the problem for 30 years, and now we'll pay the price.

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Mr. Quinn,

Great summary of the issues

What is your opinion of building a $4 billion, 19-mile toll road these days when the financing is based on issuing roughlly $2.8 billion in debt, plus interest?

Of that debt, $750 million in GARVEE bonds to be retired with future federal transportation appropriations, and $2 billion is toll-revenue debt.

The financing, use and revenue forecasts are based on cheap oil until 2045.

Do you anyone who could critique this project and the underlying financing and risk?

 

Thanks.

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Great article as always, JIm. I guess we still need to save the Escalade and the Jeep Cherokee. People don't have a clue as we follow the herd as it keeps getting closer to the abyss. I think we should copy the design of

www.flytheroad.com and mass produce them in America with whats left over from GM. Everyone seems to love a motorcycle and this seems like it's a lot of fun.

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Jim, thanks for the instructive article. I recently read Simmon's book and found the arguments persuasive. The history of US citizens and politicians acting pre-emptively to head off a crisis is not encouraging. And endless opposition from special interest groups to stall seemingly every solution suggests that only after the disaster is severe will enough sheeple pull themselves away from American Idol to force their elected politicians to listen to someone other than their special interest groups. And if this gets further compounded by middle east conflict (say Israel takes out Irans reactors), or China stops buying our debt, well this could be catastrophic.

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GM can only make vehicles people will buy. 

If there really was global warming and an oil crisis, racing and tractor pulls would be outlawed,  gasoline and diesal would be taxed to $4+/gal, major highways would become toll roads and there would be zero tolerance for speeding.

We, the consumers, are the problem.  We could reduce our energy waste enough to forego any crisis.  But, there is no money in conservation.  Last year with $4 gasoline 1700 lives and billions in health care (bodily accident repair) was saved.

Alternative energy projects are designed to make money, not clean energy.  They have all been around for 50 or more years.  Nothing I have seen is new or innovative.

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The lack of exploration efforts - due to current low prices - is indeed rather frightening. The EU commissioner in charge of energy affairs already had been criticizing Russia's Gazprom for using up their profits to purchase other companies rather than exploration efforts. It looks like nuclear power - like it or not - will see a renaissance and wind parks still need gas turbine generators as back-ups.

As the article correctly points out gasoline tax has motivated European car builders to develop low-consumption cars.

In case of the USA, a kind of gasoline tax should be considered as a means to artificially create a somewhat stable and reliable gas price. Have a higher tax in times were the oil price is low and lower the tax progressively as oil prices climb.

While this is an unpopular measure, the alternative - quite simply - is another oil price shock that is bound to happen sooner or later.

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Kraut - XOM et al developed a gas field in Alaska.  They developed a high-strength steel pipeline necessary to transport said gas safely and to protect the environment.  Alaska won't let them build the pipeline and if they don't pay for Alaska's pipeline, they will sell XOM leases to someone else so Alaska doesn't have to fulfill their end of the contract.  

American car builders are making vehicles that get 40-70 mpg and selling them in Europe.  The US will not let them sell them here even though Europe's emission standards are higher.

People could conserve energy greater than all alternative energies combined without oppressive taxes, but they won't. 

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As someone who is in the O&G business, drilling in the Western Rockies, I have first hand knowledge of the idiocy of our government, it's political leadership [both parties] and the illogical underpinnings of the EPA and the radical environmentalists who surround it and profit greatly through it.  The media being just as radical as the worst of them.  We watch in amazement as a college student disrupts an open bid BLM lease sale in Utah, forcing competing bidders to pay exorbitant prices for leases they did win.  This 'student activist' even won close to $2 million in leases which of course he defaulted on.  The entire lease sale was cancelled, forcing bidders to lose all properties purchased, even those that were bought 'fair and square'.  Then, to top it all off, the prosecuting attorney tells the press that this guy will not have to serve the allotted time for this type of fraud.  Lord, oh Lord, what is this country coming too?   If this guy had been a 'hard assed' rancher or oilman or gun lover the press would have demanded that he be 'strung up', as they would have proceeded to devastate his life and privacy, all the while asking prosecutors to 'throw the book' at him.  The 'lefties' and the press, along with nearly all academicians and government workers are empty headed fools who have no idea 'where things come from', nor do they understand the effort and risk, let alone the money it takes to wrestle the resources they love in finished form out of the bowels of mother earth.  All real wealth comes out of the ground.  This is a concept that none of them nor their professors understood.....we are going to pay one helluva price for allowing this corruption of our educational system to become the mantra of the day.

With all this said, in the final analysis, the major problems we have in this country stem from a basic flaw in our system.  A flaw so great, so misunderstood, so mystifying and hidden that some of the best of minds overlook the importance of such a fatal flaw.  Of which I speak is none other than the Federal Reserve Bank and the corrupt monopolizing of our nation's currency for the sole purpose of 'skimming'  profits that would normally go to 'the people' diverting them into their own pockets under a cloak of secrecy and utmost deceit.

As Jim so aptly points out; our politicians are blind to mammoth problems on the horizon, they've just shown us how blind they are during the last two years.  Why are they so blind?  Because they are compromised by the money powers who help get them into the offices they now hold for the benefit of themselves and those who put them there....now don't go getting any strange notions like; 'the people put them there'.  Far from it....when both parties have sold their soul to the 'boyz', we have no choice in the matter.....we only have the 'appearance' of choice.  The laziness and lack of education in our country..[lots of PhD's, MBA's, MD's even Nobel Prize winners are essentially lacking in education, just like the Wal-Mart workers, nail girls and 'student activists'] has reached such staggering proportions that any issue of substance is beyond their understanding let alone mustering any ability to articulate it has allowed the media and politicians to 'have their way' with 'them' and along with that, 'we' are dragged along, fighting what seems a losing battle as we watch the 'producing class' shrink and get dumber by the day, while the 'parasitic class' grows and develops more sophisticated and surreptitious methods by the minute.

One other issue that Jim mentions in his article that most of us always assume to be correct, as our entire lives have been shaped by it.  Namely, never ending growth.  The assumption that this is set in stone could lead many of us to make some serious judgment errors in the future.  This idea is extremely prevalent in the minds of all of us but,  it could be as flawed a thinking as one could possess.  An entire thesis could be written on this subject at present, as it is sorely needed.  Not some polemic like Kunstler's, "Long Emergency", but something of substance with some serious philosophical and mathematical constructs supporting a serious questioning of the premise.  Jim seems qualified for such an undertaking.

 

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Great Article Jim, as always full of data, references and facts. Some comments on my part

OIL is only for cars Myth
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I believe the mass majority considerably underestimate the far reaching consequences of an oil shortage. Most people think oil (petroleum) is only affected by cars or SUVs. This could not be further from the truth. As I commented earlier, oil affects nearly EVERYTHING in our modern day lives:

- Plastics
- Synthetic cloth which is in 90% of all clothing
- Urban sanitation systems
- Food (those strawberries from California did not walk themselves to the supermarket aisle)
- Construction
- There are others I just can't think of them at the top of my head.

Hence the entire economy and our way of life currently depends on oil, not just the car we drive. IF there is a sudden oil shortage, the results will be devastating and ugly.


Nuclear Energy 'alternative'
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Alternative energy sources have jumped into the public conscience the last couple of years. One of the more popular ideas is the resurgence of nuclear power. Despite advances of safety and efficiency, nuclear energy still remains a very environmentaly dangerous alternative. People love nuclear, until they find out that a plant will be built nearby, or waste is stored down the street. Nuclear waste can't be recycled as easily as the French are trying to make it sound (they have a stake in this industry). I think I'll believe one of the most reknowned academics in ecology, David Suzuki:
http://www.straight.com/article-148255/david-suzuki-a-nuclear-reaction

The costs, both financial and environmental, of nuclear energy far outway its benefits. No one is even mentioning the biggest cost of building nuclear plants: INSURANCE. The chances of an accident are reduced, but an accident will still be devastating and unforgiving.

Even though they are less efficient, Wind and solar are better alternatives. I would rather have billions spent in the next 10 years promoting research and development on improving these technologies than spending it on bringing nuclear plants on line.


"Can't fill up your car on wind power"
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I'm afraid you're wrong in this one Jim. An Electrical car can easily be "filled up" by any form of electical power including real clean and real reusable energies such as solar or wind. Long haul and air travel remain problematic and dependant on petroleum based energy. However, 90% of our trips involve short distances within 100 miles, distances electrical cars of today can cover between recharges. That would take a nice dent out of oil demand.


Long Term Solutions
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Long term solutions won't be easy, it will involve the funding and support of clean reusable energies like wind, solar and if available Hydo. There is a political gain out of these energies as well, because they are all in nature localised sources, it increases the independance of a nation on energy ressources. Libertarians will LOVE that. But these technologies will take time, easily 20 to 30 years, we have to start somewhere.

If we harnessed just 0.6% of the solar energy available on our planet's surface (Google: Ray Kruzweil solar energy), we would be able to meet ALL our energy needs. As low as that number sounds, we are no-where near that number with the solar technology of today. There is mass room for improvement and benefit.

Computer chips, computer systems, the internet, all these did not develop overnight but were the fruits of decades of development. Can you imagine the world today without this technology? So patience is needed which segueways to my next point.


Short Term Solutions
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Summed up in 3 words: CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION. Our modern way of life is such that everything we do involves some sort of energy consumption. WE have to rethink EVERYTHING to see how can we conserve energy. Everything from the production and use of our products, to where our food we eat is produced, to how our cities are planned for most efficient distribution.

The little things are easy and can already bring results. The big things like urban planning (which massively lacks in North America), will take more time. But it provides a worke-able bridge until the long term solutions become more viable.

If enough people get involved in these short term solutions, they may actually help us avert a WWIII.

TheBurningPlatform.com - bleemo
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the best option is to start reducing our overall population now, until nature does it for us, like yeast in a wine barrel. 

 

as someone says over at theoildrum.com, "are humans smarter than yeast?"

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Very interesting article.  You've left out a very important point in this discussion about oil prices,however.  What happens if Israel decides to knock out Iran's nuclear capabilities in the very near future?  Everybody is tiptoeing around this issue, and Obama's policy of dialogue with Iran is a good idea, but doesn't solve the problem.  Iran is steadfastly going ahead with its nuclear program in the face of all international objections.  Their capability to produce nuclear weapons becomes stronger by the day.  At what point does Israel decide enough is enough, when the reality of even a single nuclear missile reaching Tel Aviv spells catastrophe?   What happens when the Strait of Hormuz is closed in such an event?  How much will oil cost then?   If anything concerns me about oil prices, it's not peak oil but the very real threat of this confrontation occuring in the near future.  Don't forget that Benjamin Netanyahu is now the leader of Israel. I've seen him several times being interviewed about the threat from Iran, and this guy is deadly serious.  It would be easy to dismiss all this as fear-mongering and hope that good sense will prevail,  if it wasn't for one major problem:  the Iranian fundamentalists are not listening.  They see nuclear development as their fundamental right.   Israel sees this as an extremely major threat to their existence.  God help us if this escalates into a major shooting war and half the world's oil supply is cut off overnight.   Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts.  By the way, one thing I didn't agree with: putting the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in your list of wasted taxpayer dollars.  This is probably some kind of grant to support one of the great museums of America.  The Buffalo Bill is a treasure of American history and deserves all the support it can get, so I don't see why you think a small amount like $190,000 is objectionable.  You'd be better off to list the incredible waste of taxpayer dollars on the war in Iraq.

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Bleemo,

Good luck forcing populations to reduce their numbers via policy, its not going to go down well. But the point is moot because it's backwards. If you take a look at petroleum (oil) production curves and population growth curves, you will notice that both of them overlap. When the effects of peak oil and post-peak persist (hence energy and the many petroleum derived products become very expensive) you will see it will have a major adverse effect on world population. Another factor that 'naturally' reduces population growth is education and industrialization (India anyone?).

 

Trombone,

If a nation become self-sufficient in its energy sources, it would not have to entangle itself with the business of other nations. Not only is the US forced to get involved in the events in the middle east because of its oil addiction, but it will expose itself to the harmful consequences of such entanglement. Dr Paul explains it very well here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M

On a bit of a tangeant: Don't believe President Netanyahu, he is one of the most right-wing governments in power today. The ideas and policies pushed forward by the new Isreali Foreign Minister Lieberman are absolutely frightening and in no way be accepted by any libertarian. (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-avigdor-lieberman-is-the-worst-thing-that-could-happen-to-the-middle-east-1647370.html).

Back to Netanyahu, his claims about Iran contradict what the CIA reported in 2007 and what the UN's IAEA have been saying for years: Iran have no nuclear weapons program. Can't you remember how the US and Isreal were so sure that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq under Hussein? It's all nothing but hot air.

But all of that is hot air, again, the best for the US is to follow policies that promote energy independance, clear from any of that foreign bickering.

 

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Hmmmmm...well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I'm buying as much oil (mostly futures) as I can afford.  It seems a much better investment than US corporations right now.

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"Oil Industry Braces for Drop in Gas Demand"

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123957686061311925.html#mod=whats_news_free?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1

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Hi Jim,

Wow!! You are almost as cynical as I am!

I read some of your posts and I agree with you on most of what you have written.  I have done a lot of research and try to remain objective in my conclusions about oil, the economy national debt etc...

The thing to remember about Human behavior that explains others who don't agree with the obvious.  People are biased by there own best interests and that fear and greed polarize common sense.  Human beavior is such that, we want to believe in what is in our best interests.  We tend to "hang on the facts" that support the reality that we want and "diminish" those facts that don't.  This behavior creates a very skewed perspective of reality and one that will eventually need to reconcile.  I have seen this behavior on a large scale as a mortgage broker.  My clients didn't really want to truth, they wanted someone to tell them what they wanted to hear.  I never told clients what they wanted to hear, which is why I lost clients to liars who did!

This behavior is typical as to what is fundamentally wrong with our society.  This behavior will lead to our destruction!  People's inablity to remain objective is seeded in the need for self preservation and disconnect with the whole.

 

JB

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Have to disagree on the price forecast.  Currently, the oil to natural gas ratio is about 14:1 ($52 to $3.70).  In other words, on a btu equivalent basis, crude oil is overpriced by double, at $52/bbl.  If the natural gas price is correct, then eventually, oil should drop to $26/bbl.  And with the world's economy contracting sharply, look for natural gas to drop even more, probably below $3/mmbtu this summer, unless it is a scorcher.  And there is so much gas out there already discovered.  Any kind of price spike will bring a lot of it on to market fairly quickly.

The main problem with the analysis is the assumption that world's demand for crude oil will stay flat.  But why would it stay flat if the world's GDP drops 10% or 15% from here over the next year or two?  We're in the 2nd inning of another great depression of 9 innings in length, and a modest oil price spike will turn it into an 18 inning affair.

On the supply side, OPEC has been cutting production like mad for six months.  There's a massive amount of spare capacity out there.

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 Hey Jim... There is a guy by the name of Ziad from Blackhawk Partners in New York out there plagiarizing you. He is sending this out verbatim in a newsletter. Great article... Would hate for someone else to take the credit.

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You think the American economy does not run well without abudant credit, well just wait til the oil cirsis hits.......

"Should have stayed on the farm, shoulda listened to my old man".......

                                                                   Elton John

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Hey Jim...Still think that the list of supposedly wasted tax dollars is unfair to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center.  When you consider the war in Iraq has cost a trillion dollars, giving one of America's greatest historical museums a measly $190,000 is peanuts.  It's definitely okay with me.  PS to Fuzzy re Iran: Latest news reports on Iran's nuclear weapons capacity from the IAEA says Iran is reaching "breakout" capacity.  This is the moment when fissionable materials from their thousands of centrifuges can be converted to nuclear weapons.   If Iran does not back down, and remains committed to building weapons, an attack on their facilities will become inevitable within 6 months according to some reports.  Israel is being backed into a corner and it can only be pushed so far.  Iran has world's 3rd largest reserves of oil and natural gas, I believe---so do the math about what's going to happen to the price of oil and the world economy when the shit hits the fan.

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re: business travel by air long distance only

city travel by bike, ox carts, soon/ in the future.

see vehicles: persons ratios, West 1 car : 2 people.

How do developing nations manage with fewer cars?

 

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Jim or anyone else out there - can you name one commodity that has sustained a real increase in selling price?

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At least 'they' are aware of the problem (postponing exploration projects during current market weakness will drastically increase shortages of oil after Depression is over):

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ax.WSljkhssw&refer=home

 

 

 

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would highly recommend reading through Matt Simmons' powerpoint presentations at this link.

http://is.gd/HGYt

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