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Brilliant, as usual, Jim.  I like fact-based, unemotional arguments but I have a soft spot for your use of popular music.....

As long as I have a job, it's my goal to plow money into savings and pay off the mortgage in the next 5 years.  My kids think I'm a Neanderthal because we don't have cable TV (still have an antenna - and a government subsidized converter box).  My teenagers don't have cell phones or their own computers.  We do live in a 2,200 sq.ft. house with our family of 6 and I remember we convinced ourselves we "needed" the space.  Then I think back to the 1,100 sq.ft. manufactured house that I grew up in with a family of 6.  Three boys to a bedroom and I don't remember complaining.  Nevertheless, it's clear that we could all do with less.

Having said all that, I'm very concerned that we are going to see a rapid gap widening between the haves and have nots.  When that happens, history tells us that the government nipple gets a lot more attention.  So, those of us who work and save and live reasonably will be forced to subsidize those who don't. 

Nevertheless, I have some faith in the common man and that we'll find the right leader to deliver a message that resonates with the masses and brings us to our senses.

That was great.

TheBurningPlatform.com - older
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Jim,

How do you do it, how do you produce masterpiece after masterpiece?

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GNH vs GDP.......  Yesterday on PBS, the news show World Focus had a segment on GNH or Gross National Happiness. I caught the very end of it and I think the segment was coming from Tibet.  The Secretary Of Gross National Happiness was telling the news media what he thought GNH was.   He was saying just about the same thing JimQ is saying about America in the 50's, 60's and the very early 70's.  I assure you America was a much better place to live back then because of our standard of living had not been eroded by inflation. 

Today if Americas GDP is + 6 or - 6 it still seems our GNH is always - 10   I guess it goes to show us, money cannot always buy GNH, especially when it is borrowed money.   I am certainly not against people having big homes, big cars and etc. (I can do without the big heads) as long as they are not purchased with OUT OF THIN AIR MONEY.  Given the choice of a big home and big car or GNH,  give me the Gross National Happiness everytime.   Sound economics and sound economic thinking at home and nationally basically goes hand in hand with GNH and GDP.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Expat
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Once again Jim depresses me and makes me angry at the same time.  I know the answers to all the questions he raised.  No one is going to jail.  None of the big names will be allowed to fail.  The Masters of the Universe will get to keep their houses, yachts, bonuses, and massive golden parachutes.  My great-grandchildren will end up snowing Nikes for the Chinese in some sweatshop in Hoboken while Russian oligarchs snort coke in the Hamptons.

Colonel Kurtz (Brando version) had it right in his final diary entry.

 

P.S. The Human Verification question at the bottom of the screen will also conveniently filter out most bankers and Fed employees since their answers (how much is 4 + 5 in this case) will likely range from 17 to several thousand.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Expat
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Correction: my greath-grandchildren will end up SEWING Nikes, not snowing them, whatever that could mean.

TheBurningPlatform.com - reguy
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The months supply chart that you show is very misleading.  Most markets have seen a decline in vacant home and lot inventory for 2-3 straight years.  What drives the months supply figure is much lower demand which is understandable given falling prices and unemployment.  The best way to look at markets now is using a "normalized" demand from about 2000.  Using that shows most markets are in equilibrium using that level of demand.  I think the call on the market bottom is a good one.  I have know of some regional builders reporting sales increases of 50% in the past two months as they have a no negotiation policy on prices.  When buyers realize the price is going lower, they will buy, and there is 2-3 years of pent up demand out there.

TheBurningPlatform.com - re guy
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typo above - should be - "When buyers realize the price is NOT going lower."

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 Ditto!

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Jim, I like the article. I cringe a little bit when you say things like ""America has degenerated into a materialistic, corrupt, me first, soul-less society." Deep down I agree with you although I really don't want to and I'm not ready to say it. I believe our moral compass, our judgment, or children's belief in MTV to be the real problem, not the graphs and pie-charts. Although I can't argue with some of the 'economic end-of-days' talk, I am often at odds with the pessimistic nature of the blog. The reason America is great, is because we do overcome. We do work hard. We do innovate. We adjust and evolve. If you assume that the outcome is a feta compli - a continuum on your downward sloping graph, then we are in for tough times. 

You start the article talking about split homes, aimless children, absentee parents - that is our cancer, not the T-Bill.   

BTW - I can't stand Green Day. These self-hating, anti-American, left-wing nut jobs really believe Americans are idiots. I believe in our country.

TheBurningPlatform.com - beninbama
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Fantastic piece Jim. 

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JimQ said I'm preaching to choir most of the time...   I'm a newbie here, but I just came from another choir and have heard it all before.  We can't quit preaching because someday we will hit crtical mass.  And besides I don't feel any let up in JimQ and Jason at all........  ONWARD THRU THE FOG.............

TheBurningPlatform.com - G-man
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Great article Jim,

It couldn't be more clear that the West has lost their way.

Leaders of this group of idiots are the Fed, Treasury, Wall Street, Government, and of course the 'useful idiots' the Babyboomers.

 

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Joe,

I agree with many of your points. True, we need more electrical engineers. We will get them, just watch.

Which country? Well, I've lived overseas and I prefer here thank you. The place I work will hire the best person for the job. Ameritocrocy. Like it or not, you are competing with hungry Indians and Chinese. Green Day listening Gen-Yers are in for a tough awakening. These same punks will need to suit up and compete on a level playing field, or be prepared to stand at the fryer all day (where they can listen to their I-pod and bitch about conspiracies, idiots, 'the man', drones, the media, or what ever hell else he feels put him there).

I am suspect of the scores of people that are very comfortable calling everybody else and idiot. Lots of Oracles. Everybody has it figured out. Everybody is angry. Everybody is calling out that the sky is falling. That won't fix the problem.

Going into finance does not mean you have low moral standards. Everybody wants to earn a living and provide for their family. It’s a free market. As Willie Sutton said "Because that's where the money is." When we have an army of over-paid union-hired electrical engineers building Obama's unviable 'Green' industry, you will be calling them the same names.

BTW - the 'baby boomer' hatred is a little over the top. It sounds like we are angry children lashing out at our parents.

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Jimbo, you've made a lot of good points in this article. I suppose you would disagree, but I think the cure for our nation's ills is a return to Christ. In my view, a secular community will always collapse under the weight of materialism.

There is nothing wrong with having things, but putting them ahead of all else is truly materialism --- which I see as negative.

Another thing, Jimbo, is when you speak of our materialistic society, you must bring in Hollywood which promotes materialism over all else. And also our school system (created by our materialistic government), which also promotes materialism but disallows spirituality. Here you must also bring in groups such as the ACLU which fought since its founding in 1920 to materialize our society.

Marx was the ultimate modern materialist. Our nation has followed his wishes in almost every case, and has deserted its Christian roots. Worse, I don't see any chance of that changing.

Where I would disagree with you, Jim, is with your view that the Boomers are the cause of it. In my view, the Boomers are a product of a society created by the government and the media and alien outfits that hated America the way it was, such as the ACLU.

In an interview some twenty years ago, the leftist director Louis Malle said that through films "We have succeeded in tearing down society as it was. Now, we must rebuild it in the way we see it should be." Which in his view was one dependent upon the government and materialism and completely eschewing Christ, just as Marx would wish.

Malle, no Boomer, was born in 1932 and raised a Catholic, but lurched hard away from Christianity studying political science at the Sorbonne.

There is plenty of evidence that everyone in and behind the FDR Administration felt very much like Malle.

As I said, with Marx as the root, those are the culprits that created Bush and Clinton and the rest of society.

Good work Jim. Keep it up! Thank you very much for taking the effort to write it.

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Jim .... if houses and cars are extensions of people's status or their private parts, then people simply bought bigger houses because they could. Speculating on a profit might help too. If access to loose credit can be considered to be a metaphor for loose morality, then the monetary policy helped a great deal too.

Welcome to the Bubbleonian empire.

TheBurningPlatform.com - DavosSherman
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In 2004 we downsized, good friends told me we were nuts to sell at 4000 sq ft home and build an 1800 sq ft home, we did it anyway. Our cars are 10 years old and have north of 100k - paid for.

Don't feel stupid or nuts now! 

TheBurningPlatform.com - re guy
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The Japan comparison is also way off base.  Japan made a HUGE mistake in their banking crisis in the late 80's and early 90's.  They never wrote down assets or marked them to market.  This created a big drag on earnings and investment incentive over the following 15 years as ROE's were depressed as the equity was artificially high to preserve profits booked on assets that no longer held their value.  The American system is COMPLETELY different, requiring immediate writedowns that reduce equity and capital and ultimately encourage new investment as returns.  Look at all the banks that sold stock and issued bonds just this week.  There are future returns to be had and investors are responding.  The American system heals itself much faster than the Eurosocialism that protects unneeded jobs and grants too many benefits and vacation time.  Our accounting system forces wriedowns of assets that are immediately reflected in balance sheets and stock prices.  All these doom and gloom predictions grab attention and make people feel that the stark realism must be true.  In fact, the US is already on its way to healing.  Housing and related industries makes up 1/3 of GNP.  It led the country into recession starting in early 06 and it will lead it out in the second half of this year thanks to hitorically low rates, great affordability, and rental property oppurtunies that are cash positive for the first time in nearly 20 years. 

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A tour de force, Jim.

One speculation I've read recently, is that the banks have a 600,000 shadow inventory of foreclosed homes they're sitting on, and it's not accounted for in the 'official' figures.

Daniel: if you want to see real boomer hatred, some of the forums I've encountered with GenY's would curl your hair. I read Jim's take as more criticism than condemnation.

 

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I beg to differ.  I help manage a multi-billion dollar portfolio of real estate loans at one of the 19 banks that was stress tested.  We write down loans EVERY day by millions of dollars based on new apprisals.  Borrowers must provide additional collateral to cover the gaps to keep their properties.  Why does what is happening in Philly matter when all the inventory is in FL. AZ, CA, and NV and there are huge returns to be made as rentals based on the bulk sale prices being done.  This is putting in the bottom much earlier than what you are calling.

TheBurningPlatform.com - re-gal
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To:re-guy: The-bottom?Aren't-you-the-same-guy-who-said-the-housing-market-would-never-fall? And-the-same-guy-who's-been-calling-the-market-bottom-every-three-months-for-the-last-two-years? Get-a-clue.
TheBurningPlatform.com - Old China Hand
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Great article, Jim. Many trenchant points. Love the 2020 prediction that America is heading towards being an old-age pension fund with an army. Incidentally, I grew up in 4,000 sq.ft. in Canada but now live in 700 sq.ft. in Hong Kong. (Hong Kong property prices have crashed 30+% since October 2007, so my flat is now worth only $500,000). Trust me, we could all make do with a lot less space.

TheBurningPlatform.com - jimbo
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A return to religion: the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusaders, the Puritans, pushing the Heathens(Native Americans out west), the Church of England(1600's), etc. No thanks. American exceptionism, God has given America the role to promote whatever. Natures laws, limited resources don't effect America. I could go on and on. As Forrest Gump said "Stupid is as Stupid does".

TheBurningPlatform.com - kraut
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The long-term outlook for the housing market isn't that great either:

1. Parents will think twice before giving birth to another child bearing the simple question in mind "can we afford and support it?"

2. The Boomer generation has a rather selfish attitude. In some cases having children will rather be considered a burden than a blessing.

3. In order to afford buying a house, the coming generation will have to have steady jobs (also necessary to raise a family).

There is a certain chance the US will follow the path of Europe and Japan - and enter a period of stagnation in regard to the housing market.

 
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Kraut,

1. Read: "America Alone" by Mark Steyn. Not having children is a much bigger problem then real estate values. It is what will doom Europe and why there is no future for your continent.

2. Boomer generation is now old. They are not the ones having kids now. Not sure what #2 meant.

3. That is why they fear the housing "bottom" is illusive. Unemployment and instability will keep those who did save money from taking the plunge and buying a home.

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Daniel

I think you misunderstand Green Day. They are anti-establishment, not anti-American. I don't see much difference between what they are trying to do through music and what I'm trying to do with this website. I'm anti-establishment. I see their protest music no differently than Dylan, Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young, or Country Joe and the Fish protesting the Vietnam War through their music in the 60's. The Beatles sang Taxman as a protest agianst the ridiculously high taxes in the UK during the 60's. Green Day's American Idiot was a rock opera like the WHO's Tommy. Their new album - 21st Century Breakdown is another rock opera that ends with redemption and hope. Below is Armstrong's take on the album.

 

The album's protagonist, Jesus of Suburbia, emerged out of Armstrong asking himself what sort of person the title of "American Idiot" referred to. Armstrong described the character as essentially an anti-hero, a powerless "everyman" desensitized by a "steady diet of soda pop and Ritalin".[3]

Jesus of Suburbia hates his town and those close to him, so he leaves for the city.[4] As the album progresses the characters of St. Jimmy and Whatsername are introduced. St. Jimmy is punk rock freedom fighter, "the son of a bitch and Edgar Allan Poe." Whatsername, inspired by the Bikini Kill song "Rebel Girl", is a "Mother Revolution" figure that Armstrong described as "kind of St. Jimmy's nemesis in a lot of ways." Both characters illustrate the "rage vs. love" theme of the album, in that "you can go with the blind rebellion of self-destruction, where Saint Jimmy is. But there's a more love-driven side to that, which is following your beliefs and ethics. And that's where Jesus of Suburbia really wants to go," according to Armstrong.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Gregg
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re guy, / Which part of (quote) ''We are in a momentary lull of mortgage resets. The subprime crisis is mostly behind us. Now the Option ARM and Alt-A crisis is coming down the track like a freight train.'' (unquote) did you not read? (Or conveniently ignore?) People like you call people like me ''pessimists''.  People like me call people like me ''realists.''  Ps... Besides Option ARM and Alt-A, Commercial Real Estate is also ''coming down the track like a freight train.''  The weatherman says it is going to rain tomorrow.  Should I plan accordingly, or should I be ''positive'' and bet on the fact that the weatherman is occasionally wrong?  (This is an exercise in REALISM my friend).

TheBurningPlatform.com - Anonymous
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What a bunch of misinformed nonsense. "It is bad to own nicer homes, bigger cars, more stuff". Wrong, it is great. Lending money is the reason we live at higher standards than ever before. The one thing correct is GW Bush's pushing home loans for everyone who breathed air. Home ownership for the lazy, chronically under-employed and unemployed masses. That is what broke the proverbial camel's back. The "everyone should own a home campaign "of Bush 2 and creating the loan products so they could is the culprit.

There is good reason this group of people do not own homes. It's called laziness, I have no work ethic and I am  morally bankrupt  because I " grew up in the Kennedy/Johnson welfare state the1960's Democrats created". Bush's "home ownership for all the poor plan" did more of the same social engineering using bad logic with even worse economic repercussions. By creating loans for all the underclass to buy up the low end homes, it drove the higher end housing higher, to the point where decent hard working people had to take out crazy AMR's to just buy a home.  

That is what caused this mess period. When will it bottom? All those AMR's will kick in 2010 and 2011 and again the same hardest hit areas of the country will be hardest hit again. So home prices will adjust back to pre 2000 or earlier levels before the decline ends and that will not be before 2012.

I for one do not think Americans should yearn for living in smaller houses, driving littler cars and living like we did in the 1950's as if that will restore us to some ideallic state of goodness. Anyone who thinks those "Leave it to Beaver" days were great is nutty. The real truth is we had all the same social problems then as today but more of them and a whole lot lower standard of living. We lived in little crappy houses and had fewer choices for quallity products. America is great and will become greater. Yes, we made a mistake trying once again to make all society better by giving home loans to all by lowering lending standards. The next time we decide to help the underprivelged class, instead of giving out food stamps, home loans and subsidized low income housing like candy during Halloween we should try giving out educations and lessons in responsibility.

Keep building those houses bigger and better. You go America.

 

 

 

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Jim, I can dig it. I can dig the anti-establishment rock-out. I love the Who. I'm more of a Stones rocker then Beatles person (always found their tunes annoying and spine-less). I used to go to Dead shows as a kid. I don’t know Green Day well, so perhaps I erred in labeling them and I’ll apologies for attacking your rock star heroes.

However, there is often a fine line between anti-American and anti-establishment. Which one is Jeremiah Wright? Farrakahn? Bill Ayres? Noam Chomsky? How about Hanoi Jane? I can list hundreds of people that love to poke their finger at others. At what point does anti-establishment (shitting on what we have – you can call it the ‘status quo’) become anti-American?

The 1960s anti-establishment kids are now the baby-boomers that you just hosed. Those same long-hairs, that had it all figured out are now the socialists running our country. Funny how what comes around, goes around. I wonder who will be writing about Green Day and Jim Quinn in 30 years?

TheBurningPlatform.com - Anonymous
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People just can not accept truth.

TheBurningPlatform.com - wask
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In dealing with Option ARM's, "The resets for these loans skyrocket in 2010 and 2011. Payments on these loans will go up 50% to 80%. Most of these loans are already underwater. Millions more “homeowners” will walk away and foreclosures will grow."

What prevents the government from modifying these loans or doing something to prevent this from happening? Surely they will not sit by and let a second mortgage crisis occur?

TheBurningPlatform.com - Brutlstrudl
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What we are watching is  the death of the nation states.

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Anytime and I mean anytime even if it's just a tiny bit of religion used in a discussion the religious fanatics get bent out of shape.  Must be why there are suicide bombers.  I know there will be a lot of thumbs down on this one.  Well guess what...

EVERYONE IS SO FULL OF SHIT, BORN AND RAISED BY HYPOCRITES.....................

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Well, folks......there it is, the truth about how America has gotten to this crisis.  I agree totally with the above article. (sadly)

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You guys can complain about the "Boomers" all you want, and wonder

"Where Have All the Good Times Gone" (The Kinks)

But let's not forget the most important development of the 1960's.

The mini-skirt.

You can talk about ARMS all flipping day.

I'll take LEGS.

TheBurningPlatform.com - local eyes
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The silent minority are the people who live below their means.

A Portrait of Suburbia In Decline

 

"Years of Math: 1959 - 2009"

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2. Then I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she began to cry.

Why do I tell you this? Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: 

Underline the number 20

 
5. Teaching Math In 1990s
    A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )

6. Teaching Math In 2009

Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

  

Do you think there is an economic argument that explains this sequence? A religious explanation? Does any of the fine data that Jim Quinn presents in his excellent essay explain this inexorable decline in the what one would have thought was as cut-and-dried as teaching math?

Or is there a cultural reason, one that is operating ABOVE economics?

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Great article Jim. Isolation with great gain is complete loss.

Check out this video of the Federal Reserve Inspector General's replies(pathetic) to Congressman Allen Grayson's questions on where $9 Trillion of off-balance sheet transactions are going and basic state of affairs of the Fed's Balance sheet in general.
http://dotsub.com/view/60d05559-ed86-47b2-a2bf-4bb565ea10ed 

We have NO IDEA what the Fed is up to....or so we are told.

After WWI, Germany was forced to pay war reparations. This was accomplished by printing money and giving it to others. In this way all German savings accounts were raided.

America is being plundered. The bail-out hose is still flowing. Call your reps and ask them where the Trillions Are Going!
I at least want to know who we are paying.

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Cynicism is an unpleasant way of saying the truth. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859 - 1930), (Sherlock Holmes)

Green Day speaks truth.

The Pope, The President and (THEIR) The Pimps/Prostitutes (THE MULTI-MEDIA ENTERTAINMENT CELEBRITY COMPLEX) tell lies to lead happily the sheep, I mean the public, to the slaughter while the leaders feast.

So is, So always was and so it always will be!

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