"Startup Nation" http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1311023934&play=1
The reason I'm posting up this video, is from time to time I see people talk out of their 'tuckas' about the Middle East. Libertarians are supposed to be capitalists and the best capitalists are entrepreneurs. Perhaps some will begin to understand that American support for Israel is not driven by AIPAC – it is based on shared values, values that unfortunately WE are relinquishing.




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FreedomWorks
Well said. This information is not well known. Generally, you get some lefty ranting about AIPAC this or Zionist that. Ignorance. How often to people question the Arab oil lobby? We'll keep protecting them and buying their oil, even as then torture and cut heads off.
Zara
You Jew loving Zionist pig!!!!!!!!!!!
StuckInNJ
Excellent video.
Why are Jews so darn successful?
1.) The percentage of Jewish households with income greater than $50,000 is double that of non-Jews.
2.) On the other hand, the percentage of Jewish households with income less than $20,000 is half that of non-Jews.
3.) Forty-five percent of the top 40 of the Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish.
4.) One-third of American multimillionaires are Jewish.
5.) Twenty percent of professors at leading universities are Jewish.
6.) Forty percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington are Jewish.
7.) Thirty percent of American Nobel prize winners in science and 25 percent of all American Nobel winners are Jewish.
Steven Silbiger gives 7 reason in his book, "The phenomenon of the Jews: Seven keys to the enduring wealth of a people";
1. Understand that real wealth is portable; it's knowledge
2. Take care of your own and they will take care of you
3. Successful people are professionals and entrepreneurs
4. Develop your verbal confidence
5. Be selectively extravagant but prudently frugal
6. Take pride in individuality: encourage creativity
7. Be psychologically driven to prove something
Perhaps there's something in that list for all of us to learn.
ragman
I don't agree that aid given to israel has paid of in spades. We should immediately stop All foreign aid. Dr Paul has stated(correctly) that israel is a wealthy country and they can take care of themselves. The "success" of israel is entirely due to theft of US taxpayer money. If israel wants to attack iran, do it. Just don't expect us to supply lives or money to help them. The two most corrupt governments in the west are the USA and isreal.
IraK
Excellent video. There's a reason that Jewish people have been the most successful in the world and sit in the highest positions of finance, power, and influence in the Western World. It's not that they are the Chosen People either. It's because Jewish people are smarter, more ambitious, and stick together. Israel is an example on the world stage of the Jewish miracle. The Arabs meanwhile....well, read Zara's comment above.
csiegner
"Libertarians are supposed to be capitalists and the best capitalists are entrepreneurs. Perhaps some will begin to understand that American support for Israel is not driven by AIPAC – it is based on shared values, values that unfortunately WE are relinquishing."
Daniel, I think current Middle Eastern policy, including aid for Israel is indefensible from a libertarian perspective. It is just like any of the entitlement programs. The government cannot give to one group without taking (at the expense of liberty) from somebody else.
There is plenty of achievement in Israel and I admire their culture. You are right, the US is relinquishing some of the same values. But please don't imply that the US support of Israel represents libertarian ideals. You can only make that claim when public funds are no longer involved.
Celine
The SUccess of the Jewish people is "Hardwork" Hardwork" and many times again Hardwork. Hardwork develops the muscle of the brains. Hardwork is the name of the Jewish game and their secret weapon. The goal is to be independent and proud of ones achievements and be able to earn a decent living by doing creative things and by helping others (Mitzvot). Most people are born lazy and stay so without motivation. For the time being the Arabs can afford to be lazy but when OIL era will be over and this will be very soon -then what?
USA
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256799085242&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Lockheed Martin is crapping themselves. Perhaps the libertarians are right? If we stopped aid, Israel wouldn't get the loans to purchase these expensive planes ($140mX25=$2.8B) the USA doesn't want anymore. Lockheed Martin won't shut down, but US taxpayers are stuck with the bill. Cutting aid means loss to US taxpayers.
Interesting thing is that out of the 2 sticking points 1. too expensive 2. Israel wants to replace electronics and communications in the planes! They want to upgrade on our stuff! Pretty cool.
Robmu1
Everyone knows that the Irish are the smartest people on Earth. We'll tell you how over a few pints.
Goldorack
well I see that Daniel is quite at the cutting edge in term of Israel ass-licking, so I will dig and paste a previous comment from me lost in the depth of the forum. but first of all, I have to congratulate the US congress for rejecting the UN Goldstone report. this show the kind of "shared values" the americans executives have in common with Israelis. We all know that such smart people couldn't fire phosphorus ordnances on a hospital and execute civilians. but this time there's a grain of sand, the dozen of European physician that were here haven't been paid by the hamas nor threatened to give a favorable testimony. they saw what they saw and you libertarians, that don't like people that say it smells roses when it smells shit, should appreciate.
unlike others, the values that makes me appreciate people aren't based on average household's income or the number of Billionaires. I don't care the fuck how many proffessors are Jewish. as for the Jewish's IQ, IraK, let me tell you that it may not be that high, because any country in the world that is in a "cowboy to Indian" scheme knows the wheel turns. moral is the only value that makes the difference between animals and us.
I give you the spark, gentlemen don't forget my thumb down, make my day.
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I will throw my stone too, I can't help doing. I've read many times the word "anti-semitic" wich is the favorite word of the pro-israelis . but WTF someone isn't alowed to disagree with Israel's policy. Israel is a constant source of conflicts, doesn't care the word human rights, has decided long ago that arabs should pay for what has happened in Europe. after being victims, they chose to be torturers. they have to assume their choice instead of blaming others for thinking differently.
have a look to what's next: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23827.htm
cool isn't? don't wonder why Turkey has saif F... off to these manoeuvres.
there was many posts below the site's page I have quoted, but there's comments from a member called "hide behind" that are worth reading, so I pasted it:
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In order to understand the why and how of Israel always getting the best of US technology one first has to know one fact, U.S. development in weaponry is in conjunciton with Israel, there is no seperation of the two.
The best and brightest of Israeli math and science graduates are in high demand in our defense department industry.
Not just in those fields but in almost every field we today call high-tech.
Israel today is just about even with the UK in ownership of property and assets within the US, #4 of all foreign owned.
It has just launched a "Buy Israel Campaign" with Candian governments politcal and fiancial backing, and is fast becoming one of largest foreign owned capital investors within that country as well.
No military industrial up to the highest secretive program is not rife with Israeli schooled technicians.
Now one also must understand that Israel has a universal service program and it begins with what in US would be highschool age 117 or 18 graduates.
By the time the Israeli student recieves their College training and graduates they are in the 25 to 26 and older age grouping.
Perfect for what the Military Industrial of US needs as far as tech capable but they are alos INDOCTRINATED INTO THE ISRAELI SOCIAL AND MILITARY MINDSET.
While admitedly my association with those within the miltiary developement fields is somewhat limited the very fact of such a limited grouping have all said that in their workplaces there is an overabundance of Israel dual citizenship and not just as lab assistants but as Lead Scientist on their projects.
One such project is in the Missle Defense Lazer Systems that an aquaintence worked within and over a span of 22 years.
When he first worked for them Raytheon there were few of israel citizens working there, this was during the very early years it was German and US citizens trained within their host countries but after he left to work for a chemcial deelopement firm for 5 or 6 years he once again went back and to his amazement it was almost totally those of Israeli citizenship who were not jsut working on the project but wer the actual leadership with only a very few US and they were mostly of military brass advisors to the Raytheon owners with the grunts doing the heavy work.
This goes also for the developement of our Stealth Aircraft technology, our microwave and sound weaponry and even in our pulse beam technology fields.
Israeli Contractors are active within all developement fields, not US based Isaeli firms but actual Israel firms who are subsidized by the Isrtaeli government.
How this for trust by Israel of US technology.
Before Israel accepts any aircraft from USD they remove any US brains within the planes control systems, any recognition signals that have been built into all US military aircraft wether for export or domestic.
They install Israeli built computer systems that are not just as good as ours but superior and have been developed within Israels puter labs; seperate from US eyes.
they did the very same thing to our Patriot missle systems given them during Gulf War I and which today guard the Iranian nuke sites.
Wanna bet against that within those misle systems brains ther is not a relay to blind them tht can be tripped by both US and Israel satelites?
One woule be surprised to find out how much Israeli capital is invested within both South and Latin America.
If one cares to take a close look at Isrtaels standing within worlds richest nations one would find that they invest more money within China than does US or the Euro firms.
Israel now surpasses 24 of its neighboring nations in capital ratings, with only one coming close, Saudi Arabia in captial assets but not in overseas ownership of productive means..
Hell they sell us the rope and then bitch when they hang us with it.
Hide Behind | 10.27.09 - 9:48 pm | #
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Remember those 25 to 26 year old Israeli scientist, well they are called up for active duty such as in Gaza, get a furlough from their US employers, go kill a few arabs,and then go back to work, without missing a pay day from their US employers and getting paid by Israel at same time.
Hide Behind | 10.27.09 - 9:56 pm | #
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Oh I forgot they also have a "Special form of VISA" that allows them to keep a tourist designation and able to work within US; a granting no other nationality can get.
This allows a double layer of secrecy to be maintained in case they need some special expertise that can only come from a scientist working within Israel proper.
remember thsoe Israelis caught laughing and dancing on 9/1/1 and those caught in Wasshington state with a van containng explosive materials within it, well they were all here on Tourist Visas;( a gift from the Israeli government upon all who have finished their full time military enlistment periods; but for some strange reason they all worked for a dummy corp out of Florida.
Even after finsihing their full time they still are required for up 6 weeks yearly; makes a good excuse for one of their tech people who just want to go home for a bit, but in truth they get deferments if they work upon some special needs project.
And some wonder why AIPAC is so strong in this country.
Hide Behind | 10.27.09 - 10:04 pm | #
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this reflects exactly what I think.
I don't like Arabs neither I do like Israelis. they have to shoot each others and leave the world alone. 9/11, the US policy have both ties with the constant war in the middle east.
if you want to cut the crap, why not starting to say F... you to Israel?
IraK
Sure Goldorack blame everything from 911 to your own inadequacies on the Jews and the Israelis. That's tactic of the weak and frustrated. You should also throw in some name calling like Arab Zara does. Meanwhile hardworking Jews achieve and a productive Israel grows. Face up to it, the Arabs are comparable to the Indians in the United States in the last century and the Arab future will be similar. In the United States it's always been the case that a cohesive elitist group rules the country.
Robmu1
Goldorack, I did struggle through your poorly written nonsense and noticed that the comments pasted are also of the same abysmal quality. Did you and your Nazi friends go to the same poor schools?
Daniel
Goldrack - The Congress rejected to Goldstone report because they see it for what it is - a whitewash of Hamas and another example of the UN singling out Israel. A world full of abuse, war, and terror, and you come up white phosphorus used to protect/mask Israeli forces who have to enter population centers to end rocket fire on Israeli towns. People will call you anti-Semitic when you single out Israel and hold it to a standard above any other nation on earth.
As far as Goldtone. According Col. Richard Kemp, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan: "I don’t think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kemp
Personally, I'm tired of having the Holocaust linked with Israel. Yes, the event of the Holocaust was the midwife which finally brought about Israeli independence--but too often people talk as if the Allies just bundled up the pitiful remnant of Jews who survived Hitler and stuck 'em in Israel as a belated "so sorry" for not having toppled him before he got the gas going.This fiction ignores the fact that over sixty years of labor--immigration, land purchase, building, agriculture, industry startup, swamp draining, etc. (and the resurrection of a "dead language" as a modern tongue)--had gone into building a state and its infrastructure before the survivors came and before Israel had achieved independence.
This work was done in the face of restrictive immigration laws, restrictive laws on land ownership, exhorbitant prices charged for land deemed worthless, poverty, inexperience, physical hardship, malarial disease, and marauding Arabs. And it built upon connections maintained to the land--and the Jewish communities that had survived in it--through the 2000 years of the Exile.Even had Israel sprung into being fully formed after the war with none of this history, at the whim of the UN--like Athena from the head of Zeus--it would be only 30 years younger than the oldest state(s) in the region. But it didn't.
Yes, there are sufficient survivors, or children of survivors, in Israel to make the Holocaust a powerful presence there. But the history of modern Israel does not begin with Hitler.
Goldorack
IraK: I appreciate your frankness. at least you are saying loud what your warmongers buddies think in silence. this is a quality in my eyes. you talk about hardworking Jews and you're right from the begining of the 20th century until the late 70's. but now their policy isn't different from the Bush administration's one, exept on one point: they are entirely turned on water ressource's control. they take the pretext of being surrounded of the enemies they contributed to create, for implementing a fachist policy. Gaza is an open air jail very similar in mind to what German did in Warsaw. the Israelis take 80% of the water of the area and let the small bits to the several millions in Gaza. nothing can enter without their agreement, thus it is the biggest jail in the world. every vital infrastructure is destroyed on a regular basis to impeach developement. during the last offensive, they leveled a huge surface of houses and now they don't allow inhabitants to buy concrete, so they can enjoy long term life under a tent. inhabitants of Gaza probably have a greater willpower than the average human, and Israelis try to break them until they accept a puppet government, misery forever, and a backyard as a compensation for the ground that have been stolen. so you're spot on when you accept the parallel between Palestinians and Indians, exept one one point: even if they manage to exterminate them, they will still be surrounded of Arabs. Arabs make more babies than Israelis. So Israel strategy is ill-fated. by keeping the pressure on Palestinians instead of seeking for peace and coming back to the 1967 borders (wich could let the Hezbollah alone, and open many decades of peace), they fuel the military development of their neighbors. when all of them will have the bomb, and this is just a question of time, Israel's advantage will be erased and the threat far more greater than during Kippour's war. Israel is doomed to disapear with its neighbors on the long term. If Americans want to get on that slope, up to them.
Robmu, you struggle to read me? that's why you have been told to work at school when you were young. you should list the nonsenses. as for the nazis, check for lieberman in Israel, you won't be disapointed. the grandfathers of some of my friends made it back from the camps, and you know what? the only country in the world where I saw some nazis flags was in the US...nobody protests at your place when there's a swastika on a bike. what a lesson you gave me! LOL
and Daniel: I see you don't spare your time when it comes to arguments. you said the Goldstone report is "a whitewash of Hamas and another example of the UN singling out Israel". wow! first, Goldstone is a jew. second, the report isn't based on Hamas testimony. as far as I know, the Hamas is a terrorist organisation, I don't see how they can push their ideas in a UN report. the report is based on hundreds of testimony, most of them from non-muslim and caucasian individuals from international organisations. Israelis can say they are sweet as care bears, there was a doctor from my place in Gaza's hospital when it was under fire. there was no rocket start from this place. they did it because they are SOBs. what Kemp said has no value, this jerk wasn't there when people needed help as I know? you are quite right regarding history. but what has sparked this situation, was that the European Jews decided to go in Palestine instead of going in Argentina as they planed first. Palestine could have become a second Lebanon, and no war would have started. Lebanon was as rich as Switzerland before it turned to crap in the 80's due to Israel policy creating internal division. in Argentina they would have found virgin and fertile grounds, and wouldn't have stolen a single Sq Ft. they chose war, It's their choice.
they are so smart, so successful, so intelligent that they still doesn't have understood that retaliation leads to retaliation. an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth works also with arabs. the only down side in this story is that THEIR issues contaminate the whole world. you should know it if you were really interrested in knowing who pulls the strings.
eijenkinson
Israel attacked a U.S. Navy ship in 1967, the U.S.S. Liberty. They tried to draw us into their war. 8 U.S. soldiers died; never forget. I cannot support a country that has committed violent acts against us. I cannot support a government that continually does the bidding of another country though it is detrimental to itself.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html this is just one of a quarter million links.
FreedomWorks
And then you have Goldrack talking about how he wishes Israel was Juden-Frie. Goldstone being Jewish has nothing to do with it. The worst of the anti-Zionists are self-hating Jews. Chomsky. Scum.
Anonymous
no need to debate. the financial collapse will flush the Shekel in the same time as the Dollar. therefore, there will be no other solution for Israel to seek for peace or to start a war. I bet they will start a war. every army knows defeat one day, it's just a question of time. we never learn from history...
StuckInNJ
Why Goldorack's and Zara's IP aren't banned is beyond me. If I wanted to read all their constant anti-America anti-Jew bullshit I could just turn on CNN and listen to Obama. These people do nothing but harm this site by scaring others away. No one wants to read their crap.
Goldorack
you're out of the office, Stuck. sit down and take a glas of Sweedish vodka.
what is beyond me is that one can post about the greatness of Israel in a disguised subject without objections. but if I try to counteract because I believe this country is a source of instability and has nothing good to promote for the fate of United States, then a bunch of virgin scream for rape. I'm anti-semitic, nazi, blablabla...
then tell me who's a nazi: the one that think everybody is in his right today, or the one that think letting people roting in a camp for 40 years is a crime? you can say what you want, you can be the best businessman in the world, it doesn't change the fact that if you retaliate on civilians while fighting terrorists, you make yourself a criminal. white is white and black is black.
the fact that you have honest and hard-working jew buddies doesn't change my mind about the policy of Israel.
and I should precise that NOT every jews agree with this policy.