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What a read! (and what an effort in writing it! Kudos.)

In addition to human-centric musings of the future, other potential catastrophes could make that moot: San Andreas fault, Yellowstone caldera, magnetic pole reversal, the 2019 asteroid (yeah, NASA says it won't happen -- would you trust that afer the Apollo 1 fire, Challenger and Columbia? Sure, they've had many successes, but what other disasters never became public?)

The most recent sunspot has an anomalous pole reversal, maybe a hint of more dire developments. Still, life goes on day by day and you could go crazy worrying about what-ifs.

In the short term, understanding the human problems we face and making plans to cope with the various outcomes is a worthwhile exercise.

 

Jim - - -

My parents were married in 1932, exactly one month to the day after the stock market bottomed.  I didn't think that I would see period of economic turmoil of that magnitude (not the same details this time) in my lifetime to rival what they went through.  But there is a good chance.  I will have to live past 90 to see the next first turning, but I believe it will come and I hope to work toward it and possibly live to be a witness.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Steve
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Lots of (well-founded) gloom and doom, Jim.  Please keep your readers entertained with zingers such as:

"I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of the facts...."   Al Gore

"I'd like to know the difference between over-representation and lying."   Jim Quinn

 

How on earth a nation like the US could let and energy crisis of this magnitude slip up on it without doing anything about it until it was to late, is beyond ones imagination.

I asked a woman the other day if she knew where the second largest oil reserve was and she said no.  So I answered for her, "Iraq."  She replied,  "It's suppose to be."   How ya like that one folks, "suppose to be."   We don't stand a F#<>ing chance.

It's TRUE, the coming energy crisis is going to make this credit crisis look like childs play.  There is just not enough time to cure the problem with no or little pain.

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Americas can solve the energy crisis if they free up commerce such that gold can be used as money more freely and on a much wider basis. Untangle the debt problems and the energy problems will follow, IMO.  This is a market endevour, however and government should not be looked upon as the people's savior. Government should be ignored.

I don't think there can be any golden age without gold acting as money ....... and gold does not have to have a pegged relationship with the dollar to accomplish this. 

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I suppose this is why the smart ones are relocating into the southern hemisphere.  Less chance of radioactive fallout?  Traditional family structures?  Better moral values? Distrust of goofy governments?  Agrairian based communities? 

I knew I had a good reason to subscribe!  Thanks for introducing me to a new and valid paradigm.

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"The approaching Crisis will be sparked by known existing threats that have been ignored and discounted by our Baby Boom leaders."



Ever since I was in junior high school (grades 7-8 to you "middle school" gen x'rs), I knew my Baby Boomer contemporaries were all a bunch of a$$holes.



"The Space Shuttle Challenger exploded, leading to questions of competence at NASA".



Not exactly.  The competence issue was with the Baby Boomers now in charge at NASA. I had first person exposure to some of these a$$holes at McGregor Missile Range, in New Mexico, while I was in the service. They're arrogant children. Think Bill Clinton, Al Gore, George W. Bush, John McCain.



"The trigger for this Turning was the assassination of John F. Kennedy. No one expected the turmoil that would occur over the next 10 years. Urban riots, campus riots, Civil rights protests, Kent State, Woodstock, Watergate, the feminist movement, counterculture, drugs, violent crime..."



On this point I strongly disagree with the authors conclusion. It was the ELECTION of JFK that was the trigger of the "60's" and not the assassination. Specifically, JFK's only truly influential peace of legislation, the "Community Mental Health Services Act of 1963". Contrary to the Big Lie in contemporary political mythology, it was JFK, by this Act,  who really closed the mental hospitals, made the crazy homeless and caused their appetite for self-medication to become our greater societal appetite for drugs.  By 1965, the funding for these centers was competing for funds with the LBJ administration and its agenda of Medicare and Vietnam. Johnson's political tactic of real-politic disfavored the funding of  JFK's "Mental Health Centers" in favor of Medicare and the Vietnam War. After all, LBJ remarked; "The crazy don't vote"! But they do need and use drugs and, left on the street, they created a fundamental market for drugs, legal or otherwise, and exposed persons to drugs who would not otherwise have been exposed to drugs. The "CMHSA-63" is still the perfect storm legislation resulting in drug abuse, homelessness and crime. Thanks alot, Jack!



I don't have much (any) faith in my own Baby Boom generation being able to get themselves out of the fix they are in. I do, however, have faith in the younger generation following the Baby Boomers. That is IF they have the right information. But with Baby Boomers still in charge of the alphabet networks propaganda, I know that the young are being fed bogus revelation. Does any one really believe that Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams, Diane Sawyer have a wisdom to impart to the young? They're all "Boomers" and they're all booming a$$holes.




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Fantastic article Jim, as per the norm. History does rythm. The global fiscal crisis of 1907 produced WWII seven years later. The crash of 1929 and subsequent Great Depression produced WWII ten years later. Here we are again, with the world not knowing the easy way out of the economic mess. What can we do about it here on TBP?

1) Our group is using I.T. to power activist writers like Jim Quinn and individuals running for office against incumbents. Two people from TBP are running in 2010. Our technology you see here is scalable and solves the technology barriers for investors and activists to have there own sites, grow constituencies and educate the public on fiscal and political matters. Support these two men (MikeinAZ & Jake Towne). You will see both of them post articles here and comment on the forum.

2) History also rythms as to the reaction from the public from government/banking collusion which produces the inevitable boom/bust cycle. This one of course is the biggest boom in global history and will also be the biggest bust. Pain is the catalyst that gets the citizen off the couch and into conducting research into House of Representatives and there voting records. In our era, this research will occur online and we will add voter mapping capability (how politicians voted on bailout or tax legislation) alongside a real time debate engine. All of us can for now participate in creating educational content of dissecting current news items the public rarely sees on Main Stream Media and syndicating this content all over the Internet, be it Facebook, MySpace, You Tube, Twitter, Email.

 In these era's, it is the investor class that supports the entrepeneurs running the printing presses, in our case digital printing press. Normalization of blogosphere news is a profit potential while having a dual mandate of educating the public. We are all becoming better at getting more done with less and collaborating as a collective. To many it seems we are just talking when in fact we are implementing this plan with initial success: http://ragingdebate.com/about . Who is Raging Debate? All of us, but we are a group of management in New Hampshire with a think tank of Senior Guidance in the U.S. and abroad. We just pull the technology trigger from what the collective tells us. The Burning Platform was our first beta test of broadcasting the truth. Jim Quinn is a prominent think tank member and of course, fantastic writer calling it like it is. 50,000 individuals per month now visit TBP since it was launched in March and with ZERO marketing budget. I thank all of you who care more about this world and others then themselves and for the unnoficial public service for all of mankind. Yes, the article is full of doom and gloom and failed global leadership. But it also speaks into developing leadership that will step up and restore what was lost. It will take time but both Jim and I look forward to working together with you on the many challenges that lay ahead. Remember, after the darkest night comes a new dawn.

Regards,

Jason Rines

CEO

Raging Debate

The author says: "You may not agree with Obama’s plans or policies, but it is clear to anyone that he is an intelligent, pragmatic man that will institute dramatic change in the policies of the United States." That is about as wrong headed a statement as it is possible to make. All evidence is that he is a corrupt, smooth reading ideologue of the left, the polar opposite of "pragmatic." His predecessor was a bumbling ideologue of some aspect of the right. If our continuing choice is between ideologues of one stripe or another things will not end well.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Tony D
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Great stuff, Jim.  Actually, not great but you know what I mean.  Did anyone see there were 54,000,000 votes for the 33rd player to get into the MLB All Star game.  54 million!!!!  It's sad, really.  I wish the American people cared that much about our country.

31 million watched the MJ funeral...  54 million voted for freaking baseball players...  What are our priorities here???

 

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Tony D........   Add this one...   Something like 83 million voters who were eligible to vote (for President) in 04, did not vote....  I don't what the number was in this past election.  Anybody out there know?

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99 million didn't vote

Year Voting-age
population Voter
registration Voter turnout Turnout of voting-age
population (percent) 2008* 231,229,580 NA 132,618,580* 56.8% 2006 220,600,000 135,889,600 80,588,000 37.1% 2004 221,256,931 174,800,000 122,294,978 55.3 2002 215,473,000 150,990,598 79,830,119 37.0 2000 205,815,000 156,421,311 105,586,274 51.3 1998 200,929,000 141,850,558 73,117,022 36.4 1996 196,511,000 146,211,960 96,456,345 49.1 1994 193,650,000 130,292,822 75,105,860 38.8 1992 189,529,000 133,821,178 104,405,155 55.1 1990 185,812,000 121,105,630 67,859,189 36.5 1988 182,778,000 126,379,628 91,594,693 50.1 1986 178,566,000 118,399,984 64,991,128 36.4 1984 174,466,000 124,150,614 92,652,680 53.1 1982 169,938,000 110,671,225 67,615,576 39.8 1980 164,597,000 113,043,734 86,515,221 52.6 1978 158,373,000 103,291,265 58,917,938 37.2 1976 152,309,190 105,037,986 81,555,789 53.6 1974 146,336,000 96,199,0201 55,943,834 38.2 1972 140,776,000 97,328,541 77,718,554 55.2 1970 124,498,000 82,496,7472 58,014,338 46.6 1968 120,328,186 81,658,180 73,211,875 60.8 1966 116,132,000 76,288,2833 56,188,046 48.4 1964 114,090,000 73,715,818 70,644,592 61.9 1962 112,423,000 65,393,7514 53,141,227 47.3 1960 109,159,000 64,833,0965 68,838,204 63.1 *Source 2008 election results: http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2008G.html.
TheBurningPlatform.com - Anonymous
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  I get a kick out of the folks constantly pointing out how not too many people vote in elections anymore-- and then reaching the ridiculous conclusion that the voters "don't care".

 

  Time to WAKE UP.  People are NOT stupid and have never been.  The people are notcing the obvious: only the STUPID vote!  WHO RUNS for office is ALREADY RIGGED.

 

  Let me put this bluntly:  TWO generations have LOVED  AUTHORITY:  (1) The "remarkable" WW2 generation-- the ones who stupidly destroyed Germany, swallowed the whole set of lies concerning who was REALLY running the World, and then started murdering Germans AFTER their defeat, and then dropped Nuclear Weapons on Japan AFTER they were defeated!

 

  THAT generation is going to HELL.  NOW, we have the "Boomers".  There is ONLY ONE thing these people care about: MONEY, and its MANIPULATION.  To this END, they see manipulating all of the worlds resource-containing Nations as nothing but business-as-usual.  Nuclear WW3 will ALSO be nothing but business-as-usual.

 

  What is now most important is to find out WHERE these idiots have no interest in, and WHERE these idiots can't reach you.  Maybe you could survive.....

 

  Tinker Bell..

TheBurningPlatform.com - J Jo
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When the majority of people in society feel that they are more important than everyone else, it becomes difficult to ever reach consensus and to make the tough choices necessary to have a prosperous society.   Most societies have fallen once the leaders and the non-leaders get to "puffed up".   They fail to see the impending doom before it is too late.  

Each fourth turning seems to usher in a new world leader (country, not person).   I can only hope that we buck that trend this time and are able to remain the best country on earth.  Even though I despise our current path, there is still no country in which I would rather live than the United States of America.  

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Quinn, you should write a book.

 

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Americans reflect darkly on the future as growing financial and social inequality tears at the fabric of the country. The rich take advantage of the financial service economy and grow ever richer at the expense of the middle class. The poor pay no taxes and receive social transfer payments and take advantage of easy credit to live like the rich. The middle class is disillusioned and angry as manufacturing jobs leave the country.

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that's so true....

 

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If we continue to choose The same kinds of people to lead us through the turnings, then this pony show will just continue and more little guys will die protecting someone else's cash flow. How about we put a 2nd turning kinda guy in the 4th  turning slot. Warren Harding,  we need you now. Wouldn't that be entertaining. And lets do it without a central bank. There couldn't be all this mischief if they couldn't print the money. Call your Congress person. support HR 1207  S 604  

TheBurningPlatform.com - Anonymous
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    I have read the Fourth Turning thanks to a previous article of yours.  It is a very interesting read which has me constantly thinking of everyone I encounter's relationship to the upcoming/present crisis.  For instance, the people of my generation (Hero; I was born in 1983),   can not think for themselves.  If you try to discuss an issue with them, all they can do is regurgitate talking points, if they even know what you talking about.   The deterioration of our education system has created a generation that knows nothing of importance.  

    But my generation lends itself to be easily manipulated, whether it be the Global War on Terror, Al Gore's hysteria over global warming, I mean climate change, or Obama's Hope and Change message, we get motivated by persuasive ideas.  All the Millennials need is an inspiring leader to tell us to jump, and we will say how high. 

    I do have hope.  The establishment that was forged in the prior crisis was the Big State which stemmed from the progressive movement that took hold of this country in the third awakening at the turn of the century.   The progessive movement advocated a larger rule for the State.  The Consciousness Revolution awakening, in my opinion, was a tearing down of the big state.  As the boomers entered midlife, they deregulated many parts of the economy (airlines, telecom come to the top of my head).  But they never got rid of the big state.  As they became more powerful, the big state became useful to them.  Now the boomers are currently propping up the big State as the unraveling comes to an end and we enter the crisis.  When they fail, and the FED and the government collasp upon themselves, the guidance the boomers will humbly provide to the Nomads and Heros will be that of smaller goverment.

      Now I am probably wishful in my thinking that what will emerge is a lean government which will return to a hard currency and stay out of the lives of Americans.   No one truly knows.  But I know if I am going to be fodder for the crisis, I will be fighting for liberty and freedom.  

 

TheBurningPlatform.com - bruiserND
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Quinn,

Off the charts, well done .

You articulated what millions are trying to express.

"I told ya so" is gonna hurt for a long time

Who ordained this prohpet?

World dictatorship is coming and so is disaster and so is glory, war and judgment. Hearts will fail for fear of what is coming.  In the end, only One conspiracy will succeed.  It is not called HisStory for nothing. He who sits in the heavens will laugh...He will have them in derision. Only those "foolish" enough the have faith in the Almighty will not perish eternally. Only those who "stupidly" cling to faith in that "mythical Jesus" will find mercy in that Day. Only those wretched ass holes who are not worthy to take up space on the planet or stand in the way of progress by clinging to that bloody religion will not be trodden in the wine press of the wrath of God. The Final Solution is coming.

This is not your grandfather's apostasy.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Frank
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Here is an eerie foretaste of the future Quinn paints for us: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15195144@N06/sets/72157613051396198/

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thanks for the info

TheBurningPlatform.com - vinceF
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FYI: Here is the "official" years that each generation belongs to:

2000/2001-Present - New Silent Generation or Generation Z

1980-2000 - Millennials or Generation Y

1965-1979 - Generation X

1946-1964 - Baby boom (subgroup Generation Jones approx 1955 - 1964)

1925-1945 - Silent Generation

1900-1924 - G.I. Generation

Barack Obama would be classified as a member of the Baby Boom generally and Generation Jones more specifically.

 

 

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GENERATION

Birth Years

Famous Member (Man)

Famous Member (Woman)

Era in which members came of age

Archetype

Boom

1943-1960

Bill Clinton

Marcia Clark

Consciousness Revolution

Prophet

Thirteenth

1961-1981

Charles Barkley

Jodie Foster

Culture Wars

Nomad

Millennial

1982-200?

Dooney Waters

Jessica McClure

Millennial Crisis?

Hero ?

Strauss & Howe groupings makes Obama not a Boomer.

TheBurningPlatform.com - vinceF
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ok Jim, I see now what your source is. I think what happened is that J Pontel identified Generation Jones AFTER the Strauss & Howe book was written.

Generation Jones is a very interesting group of people and seemed to deserve their own classification. Not quite boomers and not quite a the Gen x Nomad.

Anyway, dont mind my quibbiling, I love demographics and totally agree with your writings.

 

 

 

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The demographics are actually simpler than one can imagine.  We used to be ruled by hierarchy as a necessary evil for order, communication, distribution and delegation. It's changing as power is distributed in progressively creative ways.

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Can you count to 4? Four what? You can count any arbitrary four things and come up with some interesting interpretation and make some grand statements. . And you make the big assumption that the history you have been given is accurate and complete enough to discern the important items of which the right 4 can be selected! Thus you are subject to the selective history of things which can be counted to 4. Between any great change set of changes, four things can be counted whether they are significant to the flow of events  in reality or just in your own interpretative estimation is not verifiable. Sometimes seemingly small things can have huge effects and these effects may be attributed to what one would consider would be the real cause...and how would you know?

The fact that we are on the cusp of big changes is no great revelation. I'm sure there is a fourth item between the present and any other tumultuous time in the past which could be interpreted a significant to the outcome....

You get my point.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg
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<em>You get my point.</em>

That you're a weak-minded fool?  Yes.  We get your point.  Now go lie down somwhere before you hurt yourself.

TheBurningPlatform.com - vince
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the rooster: " You can count any arbitrary four things and come up with some interesting interpretation and make some grand statements."

 

My guess is that you are too young or lack education to understand demographics and their effects on our world.

TheBurningPlatform.com - Tony D
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To anyone: Who is responsible for drilling for new oil fields/deveolping renewable energy?  Is this something private corporations take the lead on?  You would think that with 87% of the US economy depending on fossil fuels that the US gov't would be taking the lead on something like this to prevent an economic disaster. 

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"I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of the facts...."   Al Gore

 

Mr. Gore very likely got this approach from Stephen Schneider who once said (in 1989):

"As scientists, we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but...which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have." 

An over-representation of the facts? 

TheBurningPlatform.com - Strunk and White
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You need to credit your charts, many of which are taken from posters on The Oil Drum. This is a notable journalistic failing on your part. My suggestion is that you list in roster fashion at the bottom of your posts these graphics. That way, the credit will also carry over to your re-posted material on Seeking Alpha. C'mon James. Get with the proper protocal.

TheBurningPlatform.com - ramsey
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   Love your articles Jim but this obcession with all the 1st,2nd,3rd,4th turnings leaves me on the outside...interesting stuff but very very subjective....reminds me of the New Age garbage that is sold in mass these days...you have written articles that are so good I have forwarded them to people everywhere....maybe call me crazy here,but endorsing this angle really challenges your credibility which I havehad thought was impeccable...I'm not a professional investment person[an MD Psychiatrist] and have really appreciated your many articles...this is getting way off the road and narrows your scope of credibility...just my opinion Jim and I still look forward to your future articles.......

TheBurningPlatform.com - Bullit4424@aol
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I just wish I was smart enough to read and grasp the full meaning and depth of this article..

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Such doom and gloom - if you think it will happen, this doom and gloom will happen - people and their thinking will make it so. 

You can't group all baby-boomers in this - if you do, you are no better then the next person on here. 

And may I add that what goes around -comes back around in the next generation -  so be careful what you wish for - for it will come about and no matter the generation you will be in for it.

 

TheBurningPlatform.com - krohidas
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Jim

Good article.

That everything in this dynamic universe moves in a cyclical way, is a fact that needs no accentuation. Only exception perhaps is the linear mathematics - but then mathematics is only an abstract concept.  The Chinese have a simple way to describe the cyclical nature.  "The farther you go, the nearer you are" (to the starting point).

We make the mistake of believing that everything moves in a linear manner; and therefore, are not able to percieve the change when we are at the bend -- until after we have turned the bend - i.e. until after an event has taken place; even a "black-swan" like event.

Being an outsider, I have been an unbiased observer of far-reaching changes taking place in America over the past few decades, especially the past  one decade. What strikes me most is that America is fast losing its leverage both domestically, and more so, internationally. Time was when an Americn President stood and made an important statement with respect to international affairs, the world took note of it and those specific nations towards whom the statement was directed went into defensive -- fearing consequences. Today every nation (small or big) is ready to dare America and say openly "who are you, buddy, mind your own business, put your own house in order first, and don't you dare lecture me!" That's a pity.

America has lost economc leverage (being in such massive debt, having to humor the Chinese and anybody who have spare dollars to save in US treasury bills),

America has lost military clout (especially after the Iraq war) such that nobody takes American threats seriously anymore --- not even the little North Korea, certainly not Iran, what to speak of the Afghan-Pakistan centered militants.

America has lost credibility (in international forums) - credibility that it is a great, powerful and just democracy that is ready to stand up, speak for and when necessary, defend, life and liberty anywhere in the world.

These three - powerful economy, military clout and powerful credibility - are the essence of a "world-super-power". If you do not have one or more of it, you are no longer looked at in awe, and you have thus lost the credential to be the 'spuer power'

Chinese, on the other hand, have piggy-rided on the USA, and have accumulated the first two powerful ingredients - strong economy and strong military capabilities - but they do not qualify to be the "super-power" because they lack "credibility" and they are not a democracy. Credibility is attained over a long and sustained period of history with democracy - Chinese are not going to have it for the next century or more - they can still be a country "feared" - but not respected.

America still has the chance to regain its glory - on all three fronts -- but that calls for a special leadership - ready to undo what damage has been done, strengthen the economy, make the dollar the king again, and regain credibility with a pragmatic but active role in international affairs.

Regards

 

 

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 Obama is a Baby Boomer not a Gen xer

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