The US Higher Education System is Broken

We have a new commenter on TBP who goes by the name of Solutions Are Obvious and he has asked me to submit an article. Welcome to The Burning Platform SAO.

By: Solutions Are Obvious

The US higher education system is broken. In many cases, it produces individuals with useless degree purchased at outrageous cost. The system itself is an infestation of ultra liberal professors, spineless administrators and a student body that becomes more and more radicalized and detached from reality the more courses they take.

The higher education system is the incubator for the anti white, anti male, anti Trump, pro freak, pro censorship, anti gun, pro socialist, anti conservative, pro unlimited immigration, pro free everything mentality that pervades what purports to be the evening news. It infantilizes young adults to produce a steady stream of victims and mental midgets completely unprepared to meet the real adult world. In short, it produces the Democrat voter.

All is not lost, however. By and large, STEM graduates are less affected by the SJW mental aberration as their critical thinking abilities are necessarily on a higher plane to be able to cope with a curriculum that is more than just opinion. STEM fields have empirically based phenomena to comprehend and must use known tested methods of reasoning and logic to handle the problems and situations a particular field is called upon to investigate. Although STEM students are typically forced to sit through nonsense classes and regurgitate what the instructors deem critical information, they instinctively know its BS and promptly forget it once the class is over. They’re typically not permanently scared.

The problem lies with the ‘Basket Weaving’ majors where no proof of anything is required or even possible as it’s all just opinion and supposition. The Humanities / Social Sciences / Liberal Arts courses offer an easy path towards a degree, many of which are absolutely worthless. It’s actually a shame that some of them do lead to living wage and beyond employment options that end up producing many of the fraudulent professions society is encumbered by like Economics, Psychiatry and other specializations that can’t prove anything past common sense.

I’ll concentrate primarily on what to do to eliminate only the most egregious fraudulent degrees that are currently plaguing society.

The concept of tenure needs to be eliminated. No one should be guaranteed a livelihood by managing to hit some arbitrary mark and thereafter have no responsibility for doing a good job as reviewed by their employer. The education profession needs to get rid of the dead wood clogging the system and consuming resources.

All higher education facilities should be mandated to provide their graduates with job opportunities via an employment agency owned and operated by the institution, not a contracted for service. The schools should be totally responsible for finding each graduate a position in the degree field of study for 5 years post graduation.

If the institution is unable to place a graduate, then the former student is entitled to a full refund of all tuition paid for a proven obviously useless degree plus 5 times tuition paid for the waste of time involved and to provide the former student with a funds cushion to get retrained in something with a future. In the case where a graduate is unemployable for no reason the school is responsible for or where there is a dispute over responsibility, a 3rd party would be called upon to make a judgment.

If this were implemented, Gender Studies, Recreational Science, Hospitality Science, Museum Curator, Drama Studies and similar courses would disappear overnight from most campuses along with the faculty that teach the classes. The schools know these are for the most part BS courses and know that the chances of someone getting employed with one of the basket weaving degrees is so low that it would be financially too risky to offer the course.

Gone would be the professors teaching these nonsense courses. Gone would be the lenders to provide the student loans, guaranteed by the Fed Gov which steals the funds from the general public. Gone would be the students mentally or some other way incapable of STEM degrees with no option but to consider vocational training or learn how to say – ‘Do you want fries with that’. Gone would be the windfall profits higher ed facilities have enjoyed in recent decades. Gone would be the unsustainable building boom for facilities completely unrelated to teaching but used as enticements to attract low IQ students easily dazzled by shiny objects. Gone would be the nonsense classes STEM students are now forced to take. Gone would be the environment were the purveyors of bullshit get to indoctrinate the latest crop of weak susceptible minds.

Some may claim this violated free market principles. I would counter that the advancement of institutionalized fraud is not in the society’s best interests. If a student were to sign away his/her rights to compensation and effectively opt for today’s environment, then that would absolve the institution of responsibility. The free market would be restored as long as informed consent is involved.

In addition, it should be obvious that no one should be able to get an advanced degree in a field that can’t prove it’s basic precepts. As mentioned previously, something like Economics is almost entirely BS. Economists can’t prove anything past common sense and can’t even provide a proper postmortem after an economic catastrophe. Likewise, Psychiatry has not a single empirical test for the hundreds of conditions listed in their DSM. Psychiatry is opinion masquerading as science and is simply an outlet for Big Pharma to push their mind altering poisons. The large majority of mass shooters have been on prescription only psychoactive drugs.

Other fields that I generally refer to as the ‘story telling’ professions should likewise be reigned in. Paleontology, Anthropology, Cosmology, large portions of Geology and many more fields are largely based on a plausible story as their foundation, sans evidence. Absolute proof for their assertions is impossible and consequently it should be impossible to get a degree above Bachelors in these disciplines.

No one should claim to be an expert (PhD) in a field that is based on opinion. In the off chance that something like Climate Science might someday actually be able to provide proof of their assertions, it, as an example, should be able to produce Bachelors graduates that can attempt to further the field but would no longer be able to fool the public into thinking they know what’s going on due to their bogus PhD pedigree.

Solutions Are Obvious

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Saami Jim
Saami Jim

Agree, solutions are obvious.
Implementation of such solutions are lost on me.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

And now we are back around to the likelihood and ability to implement your suggestions no matter how obviously necessary and reasonable they are.

Hate to be a realist but good luck with that one at the ballot box anytime in the next 20 years short of outright revolution or societal collapse and rebuilding from the foundation up.

My faith is in Jesus alone to drain the swamp of our current civilization and it won’t be pretty but it will be conclusive.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

The first step is to identify the problem. The next is to explain it so that the average person can comprehend it.

Once awakened to a new concept or idea that someone else expressed a person might realize that they’ve had an inkling something wasn’t quite right but couldn’t properly organize their thoughts on the matter. They are somewhat surprised that someone else had similar concerns.

Then time passes as the subconscious processes new information to organize it and place it where it fits in their own thinking patterns.

Eventually, some people will find the new concept or idea reasonable and will start reevaluating their world view in light of their new understanding and realization that they are not alone. This leads to a dissatisfaction with the status quo and many times an organized effort to change it.

“New ideas pass through three periods: 1) It can’t be done. 2) It probably can be done, but it’s not worth doing. 3) I knew it was a good idea all along!” – Arthur C. Clarke

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

You are completely missing the whole spiritual aspect of this.
The demonic or reprobate side of it where reason or kogic need not apply.
The heart has to be fixed first so the mind may follow.
Otherwise all is in vain.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Apart from another immediate great spiritual awakening there just isn’t enough time to turn this around on a large scale before it all goes completely sideways.

22winmag - w/o tagline

Too late. I am no scholar but 11-7-19 and 11-10-19 are the dates to know.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I’m an atheist. You can believe in a ‘spiritual aspect’, but I live in the real world where there are no ‘demonic’ beings just sociopaths that control the levers of power.

My heart has no cognitive ability, so I’ll stick with my brain for guidance.

All is in vain if you assume that you are powerless and it takes some mythical entity to save us. From my perspective, your defeatist attitude is part of the problem.

Articles of Confederation

That will be an interesting intellectual debate you and I shall have on another day. I’ve traveled your road before Damascus, and as a fellow engineer (EE). Perhaps I’ll add it to an article I’ll pen.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

I was a Saul before I saw the Light: The Spiritual World is as Real as the nose on your face, and the Gospels are the closest Faith to the Truth.

roddy6667
roddy6667

There is no Magyck Skye Daddy.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Good morning AOC.

It’s OK to call you AOC, isn’t it? I think we’ve become best buds by now, having gotten to know one another, so I’ll stick with the familiar AOC. That’s not to confuse you with that crazy bitch in Congress. I just want to make that clear.

I apologize for inserting this comment here because I wanted to avoid this appearing on a deeper level that’s more difficult to read. I really think it’s great that this site is a free speech zone. That way we can have a chat; just the two of us. I hope no one is listening.

It took me till this morning to regain my composure after that diatribe you hurled against me. What with all the bad language, name calling, female body parts and the threat to stalk me, I was really shaken up. Oh yeah, I was shaking in my boots, so to speak. I even looked up the symptoms of PTSD but luckily I’m OK, so you needn’t worry.

Since you have a permanent avatar, I suspect you have some deserved elevated position on the site, so I tried finding your articles to get to know about you better. I discovered the gentleman known as Stucky has his own section. I tried finding and searching for your entries but the search results yielded nothing.

I looked at your avatar and it looks like a coat of arms. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate if it was a big dick pissing since it appears your job is to piss on anything you don’t like. I guess you were goaded into responding as you did by the poster that intimated you were some kind of badass. You should have been more prepared; seriously.

Metaphorically speaking, you were like Mr. Magoo jumping on your trusty steed, forgot your armor, half naked, balls to one side and mistakenly picked up a bent twig instead of your lance. After your attack you probably felt the victor. From my perspective, using a different metaphor, what I saw was a small girl pummeling me with puny fists so I just let the poor dear vent.

The member ‘M G’ made mention of me having attained ‘post’ level and the ‘comment number rating system’, so I thought I’d check the most recent 100 pages on the site to see where my article fell. I was surprised to learn my article scored the fifth highest in comment count and that was for my first article. Pretty good, don’t you think?

What does it actually entail having attained ‘post’ level? Do you know?

It only took 11 lines of BASH code and 5 minutes of my time to politely ask the site for statistics and it complied. I set an arbitrary limit of 100 but could just as well interrogate all 2500 page. I can upload the code for your inspection if you like. That way you’d know I can speak at least 1 computer language; you’re such a skeptic. Just so you understand, I didn’t hack the site, as I get a significant amount of money to hack sites and no one paid me. I used to do that with the site owners permission as part of a penetration testing service I provided. I always wear a white hat. I just happen to know how to ask for information most others have no knowledge of.

I do apologize for causing you the doubling of your future toilet paper expense as I believe you now have a second asshole.

Can we call a truce and be friends? Seriously! Protracted battling over nonsense serves no purpose. It should be obvious that I’m armed with some significant wordsmith capabilities and if you insist on future confrontations I might actually approach the state of annoyance. That would be such a waste of time and I might just ignore you.

So, what do you say? Truce?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Again you missing the whole point.

I have great hope in the future, just not in mankind’s ability to fix it but to destroy it.

My hope is in Jesus’ abililty to change individual hearts or souls, and minds by grace through faith in Him, the soon rapture of the church and His second coming.

The main difference in you and I is simply where our hope is placed.

22winmag - w/o tagline

Good societies rely on unofficial social trust- and truthful documentation that isn’t sold to strangers out the back doors of Courts and Government Buildings.

The corrupt Divorce and Restraining Order Judges are often dirty and sell documents or even decision to the highest bidder. Men and women are both involved. The poor person almost always loses. Trust me on this: #metoo was a trap from day one. There will be justice for those who abused that trap to villify GOOD MEN.

Are you with me on Thursday and Today being the big days?

SeeBee
SeeBee

Hey .22. I hope I’m not overstepping boundaries. It seems you’re going through a really tough situation. You’re a smart guy. Keep your cool and things will work out. Most of us are rooting for you. I empathize with your duress.
(And I think I am getting the point re: the dates. But is it really a turning point? Not sure.)
And if I’m wrong on all counts…well…..I’d be happy to be wrong.

motley
motley

What’s so special about today ???

Anonymous
Anonymous

A 2000 year old Jewish zombie is not going to swoop down from the sky and rescue you. It is delusion.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SAO.
“I’m an athiest” “My heart has no cognitive ability, so I’ll stick with my brain for guidance”.
NUFF SAID.
VANITY, MY FAVORITE SIN.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I didn’t understand your comment upon first reading. The second pass also offered no enlightenment, so I looked up the word ‘vanity’ in the dictionary to make sure I understood its meaning:

1. excessive pride in or admiration of one’s own appearance or achievements.

I fail to see how using ones intellect is vanity. Care to elaborate?

BTW – The concept of ‘sin’ is a control mechanism readily accepted by those with no self confidence. I, of course, think its bunk.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.” – Mark Twain

Articles of Confederation

Life definitely takes on a radically new meaning when you have children.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Sin is simply missing God’s best for us intentionally or unintentionally.
Both individually and corporately.
He has given us all we need. His word, the bible, His Spirit, and each other.
He does not wish to control us, thus free will, but to love and guide us.
The choice is ours, and choices do have consequences.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

“When you understand why you don’t believe in other people’s gods, you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.” –
Albert Einstein

“Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
The sword and cross were allies.
Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
Both robbers, both beggars.
The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.” – Robert G. Ingersoll

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

If you truly knew my God and His magnificent grace and love for His creation, for us, I believe you would understand and follow Him.

Sadly I believe your faith in intellectualism and self rule has blinded you to His greatness and your need for him.

You cannot rightfully conclude that God does not exist or is bad or apathetic because He allows evil men to choose to do evil works in His name.

God grants free will to all, both the righteous and the evil, just as He grants salvation by grace through faith or condemnation by unbelief to all.

He allows the rain to fall and the sun to shine upon everyone, both believers and unbelievers alike.

The sin or evil in this world is a product of individual choices made by individual people not God.

Ultimately one day we will all be held accountable to Him for all our individual choices.

Especially the one to believe or deny, Jesus, His only begotten Son.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

What I see of god is a smarmy pope sitting in a castle in the Vatican surrounded by gold and pedophiles while his ‘flock’ is living in squalor as these morons contribute to his life style.

Just a cursory glance at modern religious festivals reveals many underlying similarities that clearly have their origin in astronomical events.

For example, Horus of Egypt was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave with the birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Mithra, Sungod of Persia, was born of a virgin on December 25th, and was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (The Divine One), his father was a carpenter, his birth attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Prometheus of Greece descended from heaven as God incarnate, to save mankind. Prometheus was crucified, suffered, and rose from the dead. The list goes on.

It should be noted that The Sun ‘dies’ for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, and is ‘born again’ or ‘resurrected’ on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be ‘born of a Virgin’. The sun is the ‘Light of the World’, and its rising in the morning is the ‘Saviour of mankind’. The sun’s ‘followers’ or ‘disciples’ appear to be the 12 months or the 12 signs of the zodiac (constellations), through which the sun must pass.

It is difficult to ignore the role of the heavens in mythology and its close relative, religious symbology.

Articles of Confederation

You are confounding institutionalized/organized religion with faith. This is also what I used to do. All it leaves one with is anger, bitterness and frustration because all human institutions end up rotting from within. (Many humans do as well, but that’s a different conversation.)

The faith of atheism is interesting and quite tempting for many in academia. In fact, when I look back on what I was, it’s no wonder atheism resulted in the deaths of more people than any other faith or organized religion. It’s hard to hold yourself accountable for anything when you think Man is king. Putting aside Biblical quotes about pride, it’s a matter of simple deductive reasoning to see how arrogance and power lead to disaster for all involved.

What I’ve found, though, is that it’s highly unlikely to dissuade someone from a belief system they hold dear. It takes life to do that, regardless of the choice in said belief system. For instance, if one was molested by a priest, it’s not uncommon to see its derogatory effect on the individual’s faith. If one was born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth, it’s difficult for them to adhere to anything greater than self; they haven’t experienced enough trial by fire.

What it really boils down to is this: We all have faith in something, even if it’s as simple as my belief that Marcus Aurelius and not some impostor authored Meditations.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

If you like, you can take a crack at explaining how the Jesus story has been repeated numerous times in the past with different names at different times and essentially the same story. What about the Jesus story being a metaphor for how the sun works on those crucial dates? Is this just coincidence?

You’ve probably also run across the other questions I asked and none of the believers have even taken a shot at answering. I suspect it’s because they can’t. Can you?

BTW – trying to create an institution of atheism is as weak as water. You’re going to have to do a whole lot better than that.

Articles of Confederation

You’re having trouble focusing. Please focus. 🙂 Take Christianity out of the equation. Gotta start small and that’s a can of worms.

Atheism is absolutely a faith – a belief – that there is no God. There’s nothing weak or strong about that statement. It’s an objective truth. Let’s keep the thread in the convo below if you don’t mind.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2

Love your commentary SAO, but believing is not about a Marxist human pope, but a personal relationship with God and his son, just you and them. That’s it. Take organized religion out of it. You may think you can do it on your own, but eventually you can’t.

Peppermint Sly
Peppermint Sly

https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/

Zeitgeist is fake and gay and so are you.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant comment.

I’m certain we’re all enriched by the massive effort you put into your post.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Read some historical analysis:

Christianity is Flavian Vanity

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

I’m just wondering what you have to say to people who do believe in other people’s gods?

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I try not to think of impossible things, so haven’t given your question any though but ‘doubly delusional’ comes to mind.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Maybe you didn’t intend that to be funny but it made me laugh just the same.

Ghost

We been really busy down here possum proofing the chicken houses… one Barred Rock down this morning! And, now? The early blizzard I predicted!

My son is one of those “cold? who is cold?” types.

We have been prepping the hunting grounds, so out of pocket. this thread has brought out some interesting debate. Am thinking SAO is not what we’d hoped. tsk tsk…

Nobody
Nobody

Maybe you got so caught up in other people’s stories about what God is that you became absolutely positive that you ‘know’ God is mythical. With God it is more about what is inside you not what is outside. God is the law, it is much like the concept of the yin and yang. The two oppossing forces intrinsic to reality that as one is simply NULL. God being null doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it’s place in comprehending or processing reality because while the oppossing forces express into nature as null (or not) there is great power raging and tempering within the null. Much like the vacuum energy density containing more electromagnetic energy in a cubic centimeter of vacuum than all the mass in the observable universe, that great energy is mostly cancelled out from being out phase. What hapens if we shift those phases into coherency? Energy/mass appears from the vacuum! Divine law can be seen as the law that shapes nature, it is beyond the mortal observable nature but it effects can be seen to manifest INTO nature. It is like an uncollapsed wavefunction collapsing, the uncollapsed existing all possible scenarios simultaneously but when collapsed constructs a definite measurable observable.

Disregarding God means you have limited your understanding to less than the WHOLE, a subset of everything. It is like trying to do math without ZERO.

A quantifiable disadvantage to atheisists and manifested by athesists is observable within modern ‘justice’. The oath taken before a court was once single in the US but relatively recently became two. “I do so solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God”. The new oath, constructed by courts because atheisists refused the acknowledgement of God. – I acknowledge under penalty of perjury as defined in [statutory code # of jurisdiction] that everything I say is true and correct… The atheisist cannot see the quantifiable disadvantage here but those under agency of God can! Notice that in the origonal oath, God being null, there is no acknowledgement of any subject matter jurisdiction bestowed upon the court which means that, since one had the right to face their accuser, an accuser would have to invoke the jurisdiction of the court and face you with their allegations of perjury, where that accuser would be liable for any false prosecution/accusations. In the second oath, the atheisist’s oath, the one who takes the oath has already granted subject matter jurisdiction as being their own accuser should anyone find any perjurous testimony.

The difference while may seem subtle is actually an ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE and a quantifiable DISADVANTAGE for the atheisist. The biggest noticeable difference here is that not being in the spirit and agency to God that the atheisist DOES NOT KNOW THE DISADVANTAGE. THE ATHEISIST IS IN A STATE OF CONFUSION DERIVED FROM BEING DECEIVED. The deception is that negative side of the yin/yang forces being unleashed from divine law into nature-it is the collapsing of the wavefunction. That negative force derived from deception is what can be considered a ‘satanic’ or ‘demonic’ force. The satanic or negative force works through the ego of being so sure that you ‘know’, the God force is to NOT KNOW, TO NOT COLLAPSE THE WAVEFUNCTION, TO SIMPLY STAY NULL. Let the other side unleash the power of divine law (manifest into nature) upon themselves. To realize it is TRUE without the need to KNOW is FAITH.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Nobody.
Well done.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Solutions are Obvious,

Free will is a gift just as is your intellect. Pride comes before the fall, just ask Lucifer.

Luciferianism is real BIG on worshipping yourself, your illuminated reasoning skills, and the misplaced pride and stoked ego requisite to believe you can be your own God.
The gift thingy gets us all caught up. We think if I do this , this and that, then I’m good ..

Grace and Faith, that’s it.

motley
motley

Are you sincerely seeking THE TRUTH? How many times have you read the Bible. Challenge yourself. Read it twice. God will change you. Consider the empirical evidence …. all around the globe, people that are sincerely looking for the one TRUE God are leaving their religions and turning to Christianity. The MSM tries it best to suppress this truth, to no avail.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SAO.
It’s a line repeated often by Al Pacino from the Devils Advocate.
To think the brains functions can be separated from the heart, gut, and spiritual realm is vanity/Haughtiness.
If you ever kiss and you tremble at your knees, and you think that it was caused by a chill or by a breeze. Get yourself a shovel and dig yourself a hole, cause there’s no romance in your soul.
“Who’s your little Hoosier” by the Hoosier Hotshots.
Sin is caused by no self confidence?

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

The belief in sin is caused by a lack of self confidence – IMHO.

I prefer Rupert Sheldrake’s Morphic Resonance to explain what some prefer to call spirituality. I’ll grant there are things we don’t understand but I’m not ready to ascribe that lack of knowledge to mysticism.

Graham Hancock felt spirituality after taking ayahuasca which contains DMT. That some hallucinogenic can conjure images isn’t difficult to understand.

Whatever floats your boat.

Just don’t waste your time preaching at me because I’m immune. However, if you have god’s phone number of email address, please let me know.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

The belief in Sin isn’t derived from the lack of self confidence it is from the heartfelt understanding or conviction that our issues/problems are often much bigger than ourselves and we cannot ultimately save ourselves from them.

Only an all knowing, all powerful, all present, all loving and perfectly just higher spiritual being can.

Obviously you haven’t yet reached that realisation.

My hope is that you are truly not that immune to it.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

I wouldn’t waste my time preaching to anybody. You asked me to explain my comment. Your anger and shallowness are showing through.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Anger? Annoyance maybe, but anger, absolutely not.

To me, discussions about gods, spirits, demons, angels, etc are an opportunity to skewer the believers by placing in front of them things which they studiously ignore. Their belief system would be shattered if they entertained evidence that maybe, just possibly, they’re being duped by the frauds in the god business.

What did you make of my revelation (do you like that word) about previous incarnations of the Jesus myth featuring differently named character with essentially the same story? Don’t ignore the question – refute it if you can.

How about the research on how the Flavians were the originators of Christianity as practiced today, largely unchanged since their day. I think they would get a real hoot if they could know how their political scam has survived well beyond the time it could do them any good. Have you any research to be able to counter the Flavian to Christianity connection? Speak up.

How about all the missing books of the Bible? Why were only some included and of those why are there contradictions?

You see, I’ve probably done more research into this whole god thing than you have, and I’ve concluded it’s just a story used by primitive people to help explain things they didn’t then understand.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Sadly It’s true that self proclaimed christian’s doing evil things in the name of christ have done more damage to the true gospel message than everything else combined.

Trust in God alone. Not His self proclaimed messengers doing really bad things.

Articles of Confederation

Do you believe in the concept of evil?

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I suspect, given your phraseology, that I don’t, as I feel you’re referring to some sinister force in the universe controlled by some intelligent malevolence.

Now, being literate, I know what the common meaning of the word is and yes, there are some really evil people around (Hillary), evil institutions (Federal Reserve), evil intent (Patriot Act), evil concepts (war), all sorts of evils.

Articles of Confederation

OK. Focus for a second and let’s not word wrap the page or get haughty. 🙂

We’ve established that you believe in evil, based on your second paragraph. Then obviously you believe in good, right? Let’s boil it down to the lowest common denominator.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

No, you focus.

I’ve answered all the questions put to me and haven’t gotten my questions answered after multiple requests to multiple poster and even restatement of the questions.

So, I’m on strike till I get some answers.

You’re up.

Articles of Confederation

I’m not interested in discussing Christianity. I’m interested in unpacking your mindset and seeing why you have faith in what you have faith in. It’s interesting to me.

We can get to Stoicism and Christianity if you’d like later, but we have to start small and work our way into it like good engineers, and divvy up a big conundrum into smaller, bite-sized chunks.

Don’t group me in with anyone else. Focus on OUR conversation. Or don’t, which will answer the rest of my questions. 🙂

Peace and love, my friend.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I don’t have faith in what I have faith in. I don’t have any faith in anything. I’m faithless.

Since I asked you to answer those questions I posed and you apparently refuse to do so, I’ll take door number “Don’t”.

Articles of Confederation

You said you were an atheist, right? So it is objective truth to assert that you have belief (faith, if you will, as outlined in https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/belief) in the non-existence of a god or gods. Ergo the origin of the word “atheism”.

I understand that you want to discuss Christianity. I am a Christian (by the literal definition of the word) with hints of Stoicism and have acknowledged that. I would love to do that with you once I have unpacked where YOU stand so as to make logical sense of it. Only then may we have a neutral meeting of the minds.

I realize this may not be palatable to you and that is fair enough. I respect that. Perhaps one day when we can limit the conversation to atheism vs theism, then we can proceed.

Welcome, BTW! 🙂

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

S.A.O.

You say you don’t have faith in anything, that your “faithless” .

I disagree. In reading your own words it is evident you have faith in your reasoning ability that you have consciously and subconsciously used to develop your established “worldview”.

I think your discussion with A.O.C. would be eye opening for many of us here.

TBP has a lot of very wise commentary and unbelievable personal experiences.

Stick around

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Solutions Are Obvious

I’ll debate with anyone on any topic I deem worth the effort, but I refuse to submit to some bogus psychological exam or be harangued about god and similar nonsense.

As soon as someone starts making references to scripture, religion, etc as part of their argument about any topic, I know they have no rational retort but their ‘brethren’ will consider the evasion and lack of intellectual capital as a winning strategy.

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In other words, you’re scared to debate someone on your own beliefs. I’m not. Prove to me you have the sac you claim Trump doesn’t have.

You claim you’re an atheist. Why did you RUN AWAY like the Brave Sir Robin? Why not stand like a man on the continent your forefathers fought for? If you die, it’s not like you have anything to lose. You have no offspring, no continuation of your DNA. Your money turns to dust or bits and bytes. Everyone will forget you and you them as the worms eat you.

Sorry, what you deem “worthy” means a hill of beans until you earn respect here. If you plan on frequenting this site, you’d better grow a bigger set of nuts and step up to the plate, instead of just fishing for marketing potential and bragging on coding in 22winmag languages. You have guys like Llpoh and HSF on this site who have forgotten more than you will ever know. None of that means diddly-squat where the world is heading in this Fourth Turning.

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Solutions Are Obvious

You can’t prove your god exists. I can’t prove a negative that he doesn’t. Arguing over this is pointless, so I won’t.
Trying childish tactics doesn’t work on me.
If you want a debate on something real, bring it on. Debating about fairies is plain stupid.

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You’re a coward man. You run from debates and you run from your homeland. No thanks, I have nothing at all to discuss with vaginas and will be there to call you out every time when you puff up.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SOA.
So far you’ve been a master of obfuscating who is in love with himself. I still think you are a liberal.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SAO.
I neither said nor implied all the words you just put in my mouth.
Sin and Devil are Ideas or concepts not owned by any religion. You also assume wrongly that I don’t know about or read “Other” books of the Bible. I never said anything about the bible.
Have I any research to counter the Flavian to Christianity Connection? Speak Up. I never brought it up nor insinuated it into my simple statements.
You are so wrapped up in yourself you have flown right up your asshole. Get a window in your stomach so you can see where you are going.
Your anger and possibly even hatred of Christianity is showing through. Not uncommon with Atheists. In that state you can’t use your Goddess of Intellect. You fight like a wife trying to get a confession from Hubby by changing the topic and accusing him of crimes real or imagined util you get a signed confession. Oh wait, that’s what Liberals do.

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Solutions Are Obvious

At least you gave me a good chuckle.

While reading your rant I got the mental image of you jumping up and down with steam coming out of your ears and had to smile.

In a week or so, review our conversation and then look up ‘psychological projection’. It may surprise you.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SOA
There you go again. Making it up due to lack of anything of substance. You are the only one jumping up and down. Get that window installed before you drive anywhere. You are certainly no conservative. You argue like a liberal. Look at how much ink you’ve expended because I said two words that made you come unhinged and forget your original article.
Pacino’s character would say “Vanity, my favorite sin” each time his target was seduced into thinking too highly of himself.
You have exposed your shallowness repeatedly over just two words. It’s been fun owning you for the last 8 hours.

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Solutions Are Obvious

ts;dr

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SOA..
Welcome to TBP. You don’t seem to be a bad sort. It just seemed that you were trying to just plop down here with a bunch of credentials without enduring the boot camp phase. We are no respecter of persons here. Most things written here are tried by fire. Most of your ideas aren’t unsound as much as too late. We are on the verge of becoming a poverty stricken has been in world politics and finance. Our A-bombs will allow us Hangers on status at the hotel lobby bar but not much more.
You certainly gave us something to do today. A look at the comment counts of the rest of the days fare will attest to that.
The best way to find out what we believe is to have to defend it.
Not how well we defend it but how hard.

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Flea, don’t get worked up by him. His conclusion is that there is no god or gods and that it is indisputable. Axiomatic if you will, because if it were merely theoretical, he’d acknowledge the self-evidence of its faith-based premise. But if it were axiomatic, it would mean he could prove a negative, which as you know is not possible unless…you yourself are a god or THE God! 🙂

Not worth the time to argue it with anyone because the only way any of us will know is when we croak. Our life experiences form us. It is what it is. Basic propositional logic 101 ends up meaning ZIP in a political, religious, or faith-based debate if one cannot engage his executive functions and turn off his emotions. No way, in 99.9999% of the cases!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC.
Who’s upset? He is that’s for sure. An unwashed hillbilly said two words and he went completely off topic for 8 hours, foaming at the mouth over a long list of things I never mentioned.
I’ll cut him some slack though, Atheists are frail creatures and I wouldn’t want to be the one him to have an aneurysm. He never answered Maggy’s question of where the two original molecules came from that created all this. I never could when I was an Athiest. When it got that close I changed the subject.
You are correct, it’s not worth the time to try to convince anyone.
The fact that he went to great lengths to accuse me of it says to me that he know he’s kidding himself.

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I didn’t mean you were getting upset, just frustrated. Sorry about that. Two passages from Meditations always stood out to me. My 11 year old son is reading it now, so they’ve raised good comments from him.

Book IV 4.
If our intellectual part is common, the reason also, in respect of which we are rational beings, is common: if this is so, common also is the reason which commands us what to do, and what not to do; if this is so, there is a common law also; if this is so, we are fellow-citizens; if this is so, we are members of some political community; if this is so, the world is in a manner a state. For of what other common political community will any one say that the whole human race are members? And from thence, from this common political community, comes also our very intellectual faculty and reasoning faculty and our capacity for law; or whence do they come? For as my earthly part is a portion given to me from certain earth, and that which is watery from another element, and that which is hot and fiery from some peculiar source (for nothing comes out of that which is nothing, as nothing also returns to non-existence), so also the intellectual part comes from some source.

Smart guy, n’est-ce pas? Further on, he discusses in his words the nature of infinity.

Book V 13.
I am composed of the formal and the material; and neither of them will perish into non-existence, as neither of them came into existence out of non-existence. Every part of me then will be reduced by change into some part of the universe, and that again will change into another part of the universe, and so on forever. And by consequence of such a change I too exist, and those who begot me, and so on forever in the other direction. For nothing hinders us from saying so, even if the universe is administered according to definite periods of revolution.

He talks several times about the nature of the soul, of self-control, of prudence and temperance and tolerance.

I have yet to meet an atheist who could hold a candle to this man’s philosophy or ability to reason. Think about what he possessed, what he ruled over, what wealth of treasure and women he had at his disposal. Yet he was humble, kind, wise, judicious – a philosopher king with no equal mind in his age.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC.
For nothing comes out of that which is nothing. Amen.

grace country pastor

“… why are there contradictions?”

Easily explained. Different times, different audiences, different instructions.

pb
pb

Just lost a point there.

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This is true. You will not convince an adherent of the Christian faith of any value in adhering to the atheistic faith; or vice versa. It is what it is and the debates usually go nowhere. The Limbic system gets too engaged in conversations of faith, religion, and politics. I wonder if it’s not related to our childhood experiences and how deeply ingrained experiences leave indelible marks on us. Fight/flight/freeze and so on.

However, everyone including yourself could demonstrate more grace in the conversations and keep them above the belt. Implying that millions of people are “delusional” is not going to go very far.

grace country pastor

Wow… that’s amazing! You’re as immune as you choose to be.

It’s my time. I’ll do with it what I will.

Romans 1:20 KJB… “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

Christ died for you. He was raised again that your soul might live forever. There are no excuses for failing to understand this most basic life fact. You’ll learn that the hard way, if you so desire.

motley
motley

Good evening GCP. Missed you

grace country pastor

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motley
motley

You appear to be a man of considerable intellect. Do you have an open mind? spend some time listening to Chuck Missler. He has a wide range of videos on youtube. Chuck blends the science of our universe with the Word of God. Give it a try. Great way to spend your time. Nothing to lose either.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

Like Donkey said, if you haven’t seen the hand of God in a child’s face, the love of a good dog or the comfort of the Savior’s presence when all hope is lost, well I feel sorry for you. Alternatively, evil is manifested in many things that occur and you would have a deeper understanding of what you are up against by including the spiritual.

The pride/vanity you show by denying the existence of your own soul, spirituality and both God and evil is simply an unwillingness to look objectively at reality. As science progresses seems to me that the evidence of God is stronger….glad to see other eggheads are catching up.

As a solution to the University “problem” the simplest answer is to cut off the money, all of it. No grants, kill the student loan program and let the chips fall where they may. Administrators are rational actors (even if motivated by evil in some cases) and apply reduced resources more responsibly. Over time the schools that produce students worthy of being hired will win. Nothing magical about that.

Focus on the river of money.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

Anyone who doesn’t recognize the presence of The Creator hasn’t spent enough time outdoors.

Nothing comes from nothing.

motley
motley

Agreed. Even when I went though my (shameful) rebellious phase, it was impossible to be in the countryside and conclude the vast beauty was not intelligently designed. As the Bible states, we all will be shown our moments of conscious rebellion against our Creator.

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As a solution to the University “problem” the simplest answer is to cut off the money, all of it.

This right here. There’s no reason to over-complicate things or to go tyrannical in the other direction. Cut off the money and there’s nothing for the moochers to mooch.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Marty.
As science progresses it seems to me the evidence for God is strong. Amen. I bet the intellectuals are sorry the DNA door has been opened.

grace country pastor

No such thing as atheists. Nature is your creator god and scientists are your priests. I was there once…

motley
motley

Okay. So I am reasonably confident you have an open mind. Go to the youtube channel … A Call For An Uprising. Watch just a couple of days’ worth of videos. TODAY would be an excellent time to start. Then please get back to us with your sincere opinion there are not demonic forces at work.

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Solutions Are Obvious

I watched a short piece of today’s video showing 666 on the clock radio and the Disney building, etc. I though the announcer was rather clever in his use of terminology.

I believe there are satanists, but no Satan, just as there are Christians and no Christ as some kind of god. If there was a real person that modern man refers to as Christ, then he was just a guy, probably a trouble maker that gave the gov’t of the day a lot of problems and they got rid of him. I place no real importance on that story.

History has many variations of the Jesus story using different names at different times but the gist of the story is largely the same. I made mention of the similarities in one of my posts.

I was curious about this topic several years ago and researched it. I discovered many things I never knew before and one particular one was the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. That’s where the HMFIC of the day got together to decide what to put into the bible and what to leave out. That told me the bible was a political document concocted by a cabal and represents nothing more that the propaganda they wanted disseminated to the believers.

I also discovered the Flavians. Another political intrigue story that historians have pieced together about early Christianity.

I contacted a Jewish organization to ask them lots of questions via email and they were very forthcoming with answers. That’s when I realized there was a difference between Judaism and Zionism. They gave me their slant on how things were 2000 years ago. They were Jewish anti Zionists with a vengeance.

I’m not unacquainted with Christianity having attended St. Mathias Catholic grammar School & Church. By the time I was in 6th grade I stopped attending services. That didn’t go over well with the nuns and priests as well as my mother. My father never talked about religious issues and later in life I realized he doesn’t care about it. He’s not an atheist, he’s an I don’t give a shit.

Candidly, the short piece of video I watched is cringe worthy. There’s no way I could sit through it just as there’s no way I can sit through a modern Cosmology lecture. I simply don’t agree with those stories.

Now you’ve been pleasant in you contacts and is why I’m replying. I don’t bother much with rude people as those conversations usually degrade quickly. Why someone would think that name calling would enhance a conversation is beyond my comprehension.

I trust you have good intentions. You have done your duty by me. I hope we can agree to disagree.

Hans
Hans

SAO, did not Ben Franklin warn us, dat once the citizens
can vote their own subsidies – the Republic is lost.

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Solutions Are Obvious

The Republic was lost once the word ‘democracy’ entered common usage.
I’d like someone to show me the word democracy or any of its derivatives in the founding documents for the USA.

Hans
Hans

SOA, irrespective either system can be subject to failure.
What is perhaps even more important are ethos, morals
and virtue.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/republic-government

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

deToqueville I think – although likely many have commented on this clear reality.

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Seems to me this is the case for both bad AND good, new ideas.

Mobius
Mobius

Damn! Whàt else have you got?

Lars
Lars

“Hate to be a realist but good luck with that one at the ballot box anytime in the next 20 years short of outright revolution or societal collapse and rebuilding from the foundation up.”

Revolution, of one kind or another, and collapse, slow or fast, are baked in the cake. The ballot box will be irrelevant. Repairing the foundation and rebuilding IMO are the only acceptable option. Probably there will be no alternatives.

I keep my faith in Lord Jesus. He rides with me on a bicycle built for two, but expects me on the front seat to peddle as vigorously as I can, no matter how idealistic, unrealistic, decades-long, or hopeless the plan may seem to me. Or no matter that an atheist helped conceive it. If He likes the cause, He ensures that I enjoy the support of natural law along the way.

As a starting point, I find SAO’s ideas worth discussing. My 2 bits.

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For sure, Lars. He has carried me through more bullshit than I care to remember. Most of the time I wasn’t even aware of it…some of the time I overtly denied Him. It’s taken a litany of experience to get to where I am today.

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Hug a Mormon if you dare.

They/I are treated as the lowest of the low.

Great men are nothing without solid, healthy, trustworthy women behind them

Any sensible person should be jumping for joy.

That is my opinion.

I am not an LDS Church official and I speak only for myself on this issue.

SeeBee
SeeBee

Welcome SAO. Your assessments are spot on. The push for universal (mandatory) pre-k is really frightening. It’s not enough to damage mature brains, but get them while they are developing will seal the deal stunting any mental, intellectual growth. Our society is screwed unless this can be challenged and overcome. I look forward to reading more insights from you.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Make parents responsible for the children they produce, their preparation for school, their commitment to school, etc. and more will be done by them at the pre-K age without the need for more theft and force (mandatory pre-K). That will happen by SAO’s previous suggestion of getting government 100% OUT of the education business. Once a parent knows that they are both responsible and empowered when it comes to education, things will change. Not overnight of course. We didn’t get this screwed up overnight……but things certainly won’t change UNTIL parents are put back into the driver’s seat.

think
think

“parents” did not want to be in the driver’s seat … that’s why we are where we are.

{further rant redacted} (hint: we do NOT live in a Constitutional Republic, we live in an expanding — soon to be global — DEMOCRACY)

horses, … carts, … things of that nature

carry on

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well, forcing the mothers to work sort of affected that …

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

I didn’t say they wanted it…but we better make it happen.

think
think

I wasn’t trying to dismiss your comment. In fact, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

The author has some good ideas to solve a particular problem, but there’s a bigger problem standing in the way of solutions to the education problem. That bigger problem is that most Americans don’t see a problem.

And there are a great many people with a vested interest in maintaining that “bigger problem” — from political elites, to educational elitists, to established political and educational bureaucrats, to parents themselves.

There are other problems as well. Ones that have solutions. And still, that “bigger problem” stands in the way of those solutions too.
I guess what I’m saying is that we can figure solutions to many of the nation’s problems here, but we can’t implement them because that “bigger problem” remains.

And no, … I don’t have any great ideas for solutions to that “bigger problem”, so feel free to ignore my comment. I just didn’t want you to think I was opposed to what you said. I’m definitely not.

Nelson Muntz
Nelson Muntz

You have to start somewhere, and putting an end to the brainwashing of young impressionable minds is essential to forming a consensus.

SeeBee
SeeBee

Agreed. But when/why did parents give up responsibility in the first place?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Money, stuff, bigger Mcmansions.

M G
M G

convenience, too…

think
think

All that Mary Christine and MG said, but … in a nutshell …

promises.

Promises and faith in the promisors (who never had anything but nefarious intent from the beginning … this has been building for a long time).

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Think..
There you have it. Faith in the Promisors with nefarious intent. My parents and all my many aunts and uncles were all born between 1890 and 1930. They all had absolute faith in the government as did their children. I was involuntarily red pilled at 20 or I might still be in that group.
Nefarious is an underused word when describing the con job done on the public. Too bad PCR doesn’t use it as often as insouciant.

Steve
Steve

See Bee,
While I dont discount otber factors mentioned, economucs played a big part. In the 50s-60s a man earned enough to pay for a house with less than 2 years salary. It now takes about 6. His one salary even allowed for an annual2 week vacation. The big squeeze came and that no longer worked plus feminism told wonen they were more than lowly housewives ( not my perspective).

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

I’ve mentioned this before but I’ll say it again.

The PUBLIC has been so thoroughly indoctrinated into believing that Education is a natural “right” provided to them by the Constitution that they would go apeshit to defend the status quo and protect their perceived entitlements.

My solution would involve no longer making school “compulsory ” , but since most citizens fail to understand that the Constitution doesnt give us our rights, rather we are born with these God-given “natural rights” , they believe “free” Education should be provided by the NANNY STATE .

Making school no longer mandatory would give the parents more authority that the State has usurped.

Many would lose their jobs and major disruptions would be unavoidable, but necessary .

Pipe dreams, I know

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

Florida State “workers” want a raise because their average salary is only about $47,000 (plus great benefits). Commie Tallahassee TV stuck the microphone in a half dozen faces (all Black) for comments and their English was horrible but I understood that they all say they have great responsibilities, their professional (FAMU) degrees are underutilized and they were underpaid. Just damn: commie Tallahassee obviously has easy good paying state jobs for clearly dumb people with undoubtedly the easiest gotten Black college degrees in America. I hope FSU football failures continue to be a Spotlight on commie Tallahassee.

anarchyst
anarchyst

It’s not only state workers, but the federal government as well.

For most federal jobs, a “college degree” is required. For many of the jobs, a “degree” in the particular field one is applying for is not required. Any “degree” will do. Even “basketweaving” degrees are acceptable.

The “college degree” has become the “gatekeeper” to many jobs since the courts ruled that aptitude testing was illegal (discriminatory against certain minorities) and could not be used to determine suitability for a give job. Look up “Griggs v. Duke Power” for the relevant ruling outlawing aptitude tests.

diverdown
diverdown

‘The “college degree” has become the “gatekeeper” to
many jobs since the courts ruled that aptitude testing was
illegal (discriminatory against certain minorities) and
could not be used to determine suitability for a given job.
Look up “Griggs v. Duke Power” for the relevant ruling
outlawing aptitude tests.’

Thanks for refreshing my memory with that citation, Anarchyst.

Had this exact discussion with my daughter and SIL last
weekend. Simply giving them some historical context
between now and when I was a lad (1960s) about how
unnecessary a degree was then unless going into one of
the professions, and that all other jobs (and
promotions) were pretty much determined by taking an
exam for that particular job.

But given the extraordinarily high failure rate of
Kneegrows on those tests (and the refusal to accept
the fact that a low IQ was always the cause)
the SJWs of that day began to invent ‘reasons’
for that failure: things like‘invisible’ or
‘unconscious’ racism, and continues to
this day with nonsense like ‘white privilege’.

And that math is racist, i.e., 2 + 2 only equals 4 for
Whites and Asians. For black or brown folks, it
may be some other number, depending on the day
and their feelings.

(Of course most of ‘white privilege’ actually
consists of having a triple-digit IQ and being
raised by married biological parents.)

Llpoh
Llpoh

Altitude tests were not outlawed. That decision said that the tests need to relate to the job – ie the tests need to test aptitude for the job, not just IQ tests.

flash
flash

Stuck, is that you ?

M G
M G

Glad you did this… I saw one comment I considered posting, but there was too much formatting work.

😀

flash
flash

Who broke higher education….hmmm.

Ground Zero

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

The Children of the Devil. The same people who are keeping it broken.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

SAO – I followed your previous comments and banter with Donkey and for the most part, agree with your ideas, but once again, implementing them will be difficult until we have a dictator.

A more palatable solution to the student loan crisis would be to make the college/university the guarantor of all loans. If the student cannot find employment in his/her chosen field, the university would be responsible for making the loan payments until such employment is gained. This would incentivize the institution to better screen students and to offer degrees with a usefulness to society. By making them make the payments, it prevents some student from getting his degree, failing to get the job of his dreams and once the loan is repaid, viola the job appears.

BTW – Under 0bama, the federal government took over the student loans system and now not only guarantees the loans, but originates them, as well.

M G
M G

True dat.

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There are numerous avenues one can imagine towards fixing the higher ed system. Nothing gets fixed until there’s a general consensus that there’s even something broken to begin with. I tried to make the case that the system is broken and offered one path to change; yours is another.

I knew when I wrote the article that the common lament would be how to implement any solution. At present, the population is really powerless because they are disorganized and have absolutely no voice in this grand and glorious representative democracy. (spit)

Implementing any solution for any identified problem is currently impossible unless there’s a way to bypass the traditional choke point. The party system is fully in control of all the mechanics and the party system is owned outright by moneyed interests. The party system needs to be destroyed and there is a way to do it.

I previously hinted at something I’ve thought about for years on how to coerce the political parties into addressing real concerns versus the ones they want to focus on which frames the political debate. I believe its possible to neuter the party’s ability to control the narrative within one election cycle using tech, my background. It would also make the MSM and political polling organizations irrelevant if it could catch fire.

I considered writing an article on it but that would give early warning to the enemy. Again, implementing it is the problem as it would need a few million in seed money to produce but would probably generate billions annually, world wide once it got off the ground.

This site has a certain audience. If my banter is deemed credible either via an article or my comments, then maybe I can get my idea in front of someone with the resources to make it happen. Till then, maybe I’m just peeing into the wind and we’re all wasting time on this site, but if I believed that things couldn’t change I wouldn’t be here.

Known Associate
Known Associate

Welcome SAO and good thoughts. I’m a product of the higher ed system, starting with primary school in MA in the early 70s, then off to the West for a run up the science ladder at UCSD/UCB, specifically biochem.

In my opinion (i’ll get back to this word in a bit), the major failing of the current US ed system is the shift away from teaching reasoning skills to simply requiring obedience and memorization. The shift started a long time ago. Primary school was so incredibly boring and in fact un-natural for me it is a wonder i made it through.

It took 2 years of working for a living afterwards and reminding myself that i was a pretty good nerd to get the courage to go back to “school”. The STEM path, then as now, offers a challenge to those who choose to use their natural gifts and today the variety of paths through this wonderland is astounding.

So now we have a situation where the ability to reason and access facts as tools to improve one’s understanding of the world is actively discouraged. It’s not an accident and this technique has been used for thousands of years to control populations.

What is needed before any meaningful change in the education system can happen is for market forces to act to de-value the current offerings. This would require that first, people need to understand the dangers of “beliefs” and the value of “views”.

It all starts when we form an “opinion” (i promised to get back to this), based on some observation or (egads!) indoctrination. If we are observant, then most indoctrination can be set aside and we are free to develop “views” based on reasoning our way through a collection of facts.

The value of this approach, aside from the obvious, is that when new facts become available, and we process them with reasoning skills, rather than obediently ignoring them, voila, our views may actually change to fit the new facts.

The alternative is to allow an initial opinion to become a belief. Such obedient beliefs are much more difficult to change than fact-based views. It does not take a college degree to learn to use our natural gifts, it takes one to beat them out of us.

“It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.” – Albert Einstein

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“… a theory built on questionable assumptions should never be the basis for new theories.” – Stephen Smith

In the STEM fields or STEM related fields, there are also problems. Today, we have physicists that have no lab experience. They invent new subatomic particles because some arcane math tells them this is fact. It’s not fact! It’s BS till its confirmed by empirical testing. The new ‘fact’ is assumed and we’re off to the races piling the next theory on top of the previous untested one. It end up with the LHC and billions spent on a hunch.

Some once respected fields are being converted into junk science. Take Cosmology for example. A Belgian priest invented the Big Bang Theory from nothing. He wanted to marry his religion with his infatuation with Astronomy, so he concocted Big Bang.

Thereafter, Hubble came up with the expanding universe by equating red shift to distance. Others jumped on the band wagon and today we have Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Neutron Stars, Pulsars and all manner of entities that defy any attempt at empirical investigation. They all rely on a gravity based view of how the universe works.

“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.” – Albert Einstein

Along the way, Halton Arp, a protege of Hubble, identified galaxies that disproved the red shift equals distance idea. That should disprove the expanding Universe idea which should disprove Big Bang because Big Bang relies on running the expansion backwards to a singularity.

For his heresy, Halton Arp was denied telescope time and hounded out of the US.

During all this time, Plasma Physics had and has a completely different take on Cosmology relegating gravity as an afterthought and concentrating on electromagnetism as the prime mover.

EM is 39 orders of magnitude more powerful than gravity. A 1 with 39 0’s after it is a pretty big number. Plasma Physicists can explain what is observed without the zoo of made up entities required to keep Big Bang from totally collapsing.

Most people know about Big Bang but almost none know of the alternative Plasma interpretation as Big Bang is taught as the only possible way to look at things.

M G
M G

You can string together some coherent thoughts.

The only problem with intelligent plasma versus the big bang is that for atheism to be true for all eternity, it requires that initial little miracle or spark of intellect to get the whole random thing going.

I’m not being nosy; I’m the fruit inspector.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

There is no ‘intelligent’ plasma, there is only plasma. Plasma does what it does no intelligence required. It’s an electrical phenomenon and it mostly follows electromagnetic principles until super high energies get involved.

Atheism has as much to do with Plasma as fish have to do with motorcycles – nothing at all.

I’m curious how you managed to associate the two as a coherent thought in your mind.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

SOA
I thing Maggie was asking or telling you that pure Atheism can’t explain where the first minute “Thing” came from that then multiplied until we have the Universe.
You knew that and you obfuscate as well as any Alinksyite.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I could care less where the universe came from. No one knows and no one will ever know IMO.

I fail to see what atheism has to do with the universe. Seriously. I can’t imagine a connection.

Unbelievable
Unbelievable

There are two types of atheists:

A. The fools and liars who say they know all things with 100% certainty

B. The honest ones who admit there is much they don’t know.

The former are delusional and the latter, if they stay honest, must acknowledge at least the possibility of a creator existing in the realm beyond their understanding.

By the same token, religious adherents refuse to acknowledge the possibility of no creator existing in the realm beyond their understanding.

For example, the Bible’s Hebrews 11:1 says:

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

Question: If one side or the other was correct, how would they know for sure?

Articles of Confederation

Indeed. The problem with the former is that society must be vigilant of them at all times. This is where the steady flow of psychopaths originate. No one can claim that Henry VIII was actually “religious”. His actions belie his mental stability.

The latter is to be commended in many ways for questioning everything with boldness; yet they haven’t taken the thought experiment to its very end. That’s just merely a matter of setting aside the time to meditate on the order of things, to work outside for a year or two.

In my personal experience, the most difficult step was to proceed from atheism to theism. That involves changing the very essence of who you are, to acknowledge you are not King of the World and to TRULY appreciate what humility is.

ozum
ozum

Love the upgrade in thought depth. I’m engaged in finding what is true, and it’s like what Michelangelo did with rocks. You start out with many randomly shaped rocks , pick one , then begin to remove all the unnecessary pieces to reveal the work.
The first thing is to lay aside any and all of other opinions about “what is”, and where it came from. Beliefs , everybody has one, are a cul de sac of the mind/thinking brain. But it works to prevent paralysis of daily action, and the truth is only important to the inquiring mind; one that would be bored with crossword puzzles.

Articles of Confederation

Indeed! I find myself performing an Agile-based, iterative improvement of my mind on a daily basis. But it does require stepping back and observing neutrally. Survival instinct of humans does not lend itself to easily disengaging emotions.

M G
M G

Be careful, assfucker. I’m not always this nice.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Obviously, you are one of those this article talks about that is well trained in “opinions.”

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Since I wrote the article, yes, I’m opinionated. So what?

I’ve put myself out there and expressed my opinion on higher education. What’s your take on it?

If you can come up with constructive criticism where I made a mistake in your opinion, share your insights.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If your article was really all that special, you wouldn’t be having to comment on it yourself so heavily. eh.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

It is common courtesy to respond when asked a question, so I reply.

Didn’t your mother teach you any manners?

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I intend to stick around.

Growing up in New York gives one a hide as thick as a rhino’s.

M G
M G

You’ve gotten enough attention here to get your article propelled to “post” level and it is faring quite well in the comment number rating system here at TBP.

If your idea is in format ready for printing, send it to [email protected] and I’m betting you will get the opportunity to have it directly posted with links for folks to contact you for investment opportunity.

I gotta warn you… TBP readers are a hard sell.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I don’t know what ‘post’ level indicates but it sounds like an accomplishment of some sort. Thank You.

My idea is currently just in my mind. I can write it up over a few days to polish up the prose appropriately sans any heavy technical detail.

However, I don’t think publishing a description of the idea for the world to see is such a great idea. The aim is to develop the software and pop it up as a surprise and have the site go viral, which I suspect would happen. With enough attention, the political parties and their media lackeys wouldn’t be able to squash it.

I liken it to BitCoin technically in that the instantiation of the idea is a distributed app and multi node distributed site that has no real head to take down. What would work for the US would work just as easily for Germany, South Africa, Japan, anywhere candidates stand for election. The idea is on paper. The realization of that idea is lots of software, hardware, internet connections, programmers, etc.

I understand this is difficult for you to envision, but with the description in hand I think all would become clear.

Given the tenor of this site I think I can trust that my idea would be reviewed soberly by individuals like myself that want a change in the political process that forces it to become responsive to what people want and to hell with the political machine.

One of my favorite sayings is: “It’s easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission.” What I have in mind isn’t asking permission from the establishment. Its forcing them to play ball on a field they don’t control.

Let me know if you’re still interested.

M G
M G

Jim Quinn is the Boss of TBP, but he has allowed almost any and all ideas that are reasonably presented to “air.” As I said, write it up and we’ll read it.

Well, some of us will read it. I can’t promise we will like it.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

The solution I mentioned was not mine, but one I have heard several times in the media. What has to happen is the Institutions of higher learning have to be made out as the bad guys, which I think we both agree they are. People need to know that Harvard is sitting on billions in trust money, but still charging out the wazoo for tuition. Many other universities are also very well off and should not be profiting off of the taxpayer’s money.

We have to get the word out, one bulletin board at a time and hope we start a brushfire of freedom.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Harvard or any of the rich institutions should be persuaded to spend some of their fortune by awarding scholarships as was done in decades past.

I don’t begrudge them their fortune if they acquired it honestly. However, since they turn out lots of the legal criminals (oxymoron, I know) their money is tainted and they should be investigated. They’ve got their squid like tentacles in as many deals as Goldman Sachs.

There should be no taxpayer money for them to profit from. The gov’t funding the loans is absurd. I’m sure the Commerce Clause has been tortured sufficiently and stretched on a rack to once again encompass this ridiculous idea.

Obviously I agree that getting people incensed about how higher ed is failing the society is a task worth pursuing.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Cash only … No Loans … Problem fixed.

Steve
Steve

Most around here know “solutions are obvious”. Implementing those solutions is where where the rubber meets the road and the area of lively discussion.
You didn’t mention my favorite BS degree, African American studies. Thousands getting degrees in which there are tens of jobs avaiable. What a disaster that one is. I would wager it has the highest student loan default rate.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Welcome, SAO. I saw the back and forth yesterday. It kept my mind off of having to put my old dog down.

I must say, I lurked for years and then commented for nearly a year before I got the gumption up to write an essay. I think you will fit right in here.

Overall, I agree with your assessment. Full disclosure, I never went to college except for a couple of college classes at the local community college.

Here is where I think we differ. You said “Psychiatry has not a single empirical test for the hundreds of conditions listed in their DSM. Psychiatry is opinion masquerading as science and is simply an outlet for Big Pharma to push their mind altering poisons. The large majority of mass shooters have been on prescription only psychoactive drugs.”

Yes, they are highly dependent on drugs and push them instead of trying other options. It is also true that the perpetrators of high profile mass shootings are on some kind of psychotropic drug. The field of psychiatry has been heavily politicized. You would still need people to specialize in some form of study of the mind/brain. It should be reformed and maybe renamed but not eliminated. Many so called mental disorders are actually physical problems such as thyroid disorders and hormone imbalances. People who cannot be helped because their problems are true disorders of the mind must still be treated.

One way to force the higher education system to reform is to starve it. This will never happen if the people who want to make college free for everyone.

I look forward to more essays from you. I find engineers to be rather interesting people. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be here.

I need to get ready to go out of town so any questions for replies I will have to get back to after we are on the road later.

M G
M G

One day, perhaps, we will be on the road at the same time and meet for lunch. I burned up the road enough for three years. But, I do get to the Bluff or the Cape once in a while. Sometimes St. Charles.

My son got sick of paying lakeside rent and moved into a crap apartment I won’t even visit. He says he intends to pay off that car and student loan by Christmas and never owe anyone another dime. That fruit didn’t fall too far, so I’m proud of him, in a way. On the other hand? He steps over homeless people to get from parking to his place. I ain’t going there.

overthecliff
overthecliff

MC, sorry about your dog. By nature they are more true than people.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Thanks, Over. It’s the peril of having pets, I’m afraid.

Ghost

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overthecliff
overthecliff

Dogs have a good grip on reality ,too.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

There’s no doubt that there are people who are crazy / insane / nuts / off their rocker / … pick a term. Absolutely no one knows how to diagnose where this comes from. Even pointing to physical brain deformities or damage doesn’t guarantee a correlation between that physical condition and any particular ‘mental illness’. No one can properly define what a ‘mental illness’ is.

Psychiatry is a completely fraudulent profession. It almost disappeared about a century ago but was saved by Rockefeller money; oil money. Many drugs are compounded from petroleum products and Psychiatry was seen as an avenue to sell up stream high dollar derivatives of oil. Psychiatry should have gone the way of Phrenology but didn’t.

The most dangerous drug pushers in the society are Psychiatrists because the vast majority of their treatments involve drugs that alter brain chemistry. They may be able to tranquilize some behaviors but at what long term cost? No one truly knows how those drugs affect different people. Essentially Big Pharma is running an open air experiment on people classified as having mental conditions when those classifications are just so much made up gibberish as defined in the DSM.

To the best of my knowledge, what I stated in the article is true; not a single DMS ailment has an empirical test associated with it. It’s all a matter of interpretation, feel, instinct, bullshit.

It would be wonderful if some branch of probably medicine could start to understand why some people howl at the moon or, in general, do things the rest of us find strange, but Psychiatry has spent a hundred years conning us that they are the experts. They’re not.

thetruthonly

I agree with you, but that trying to understand the mind is a valuable exercise. It is not science, but theories have come a long way in recent history, the difference being the theories don’t have experiments where the result comes out the same 100% of the time. That doesn’t mean some day they won’t get there. The correlations of IQ and personality traits with correlations to success in various occupations is getting stronger because models are getting better. This is already useful information not unlike looking at someones mouth, lips, or hands and suggesting what musical instrument they might be better taking up (if they were also musically inclined). I’m not talking about communists testing people and assigning jobs and pay for life. Those humanity classes are valuable, but I would agree mostly just as rounding out education and as highly populated majors are unjustified. Perhaps better career counseling and warnings as to the risks of a worthless education are easier but effective sells.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

I’m sorry, but if you can’t prove it, its trash.

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

I’ll agree that trying to understand mental illness, for example, is a worthwhile effort, but until someone can conclusively show that understanding they need to shut up and get back into the lab. Experimenting on the real world when the consequences are unknown is my objection.

No one is going to convince me that Black Studies, Gender Studies and the bulk of the humanities/social sciences/liberal arts has any value at all until they can prove what they claim is true. Assertions, theories, speculations, hunches, SWAG (statistical wild ass guesses), etc are fine as long as they confine this mental masturbation among their currently ignorant peers. Don’t advertise some bogus claim using a PhD in bullshitology to impress the gullible.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles

That stuff all just functions as welfare. Nobody in their right mind takes it seriously.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

If I weren’t on a phone I would do some point by point objections. I hate tiny virtual keyboards so if this thread is still going tomorrow afternoon I might be back. No guarantees, though.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Take your DV’s and shove them up your ass.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

What is a DV?

SeeBee
SeeBee

TY MC…I don’t know why, but that really made me chuckle. BTW no DV’s from me.

yahsure
yahsure

I met my first college grad while washing cars in high school. He was an “arts” major. Washing cars with me. Later I met similar folks in the military. Then when I drove trucks I met many truckers who bragged about being college grads of some useless field. So I agree with the article. I think there’s an attitude out there about jobs that require the use of your hands, or that would make a person sweat or get dirty.
I think working in trades that don’t require years of formal schooling and insane debt is a better idea right now. plumbers and electricians make good money.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Changing higher education will never happen and so we must remove the MONEY !
If the administration of finance did not have a federal pipeline to a taxpayers pocket this all would collapse under its own weight .
The lending institutions get paid the schools get paid then when the student now hard core unemployable with a degree in Lesbian underwater basket weaving is hounded by the IRS .
The most effective and relentless collection agency on the planet !
If the lender and the school had to absorb the unpaid debt due to the inability of the graduates worthless degree while their skull full of four years of indoctrinated leftist mush convincing them of their alleged worth or value falls on its face this party would be busted yesterday !
On another note when you call a government agency you may discover employees that actually communicate in full sentences and can be held to account for the information they convey .
Our daughter graduated with a BSN in nursing that my wife and I paid for in full by depriving ourselves of things like cars new appliances etc… She was quickly hired by a prestigious hospital with a very lucrative starting salary and benefits . After the first couple paychecks we had a family sit down . Our little girl was quite dismayed when she realized she only saw about 72% of what she earned pulling 12 hour night shifts on her feet all night !
Now she knows what we working people bitch about so much LOL
I wonder with all this talk about forgiving college debt does anybody know where my wife and I go to be made whole . An extra $200K would be handy now LMAO… at least I can easily purchase a higher grade of bourbon now ! Did not have to baby girl took care of dear old dad and mom for the birthdays and Mother’s & Father’s Day
The greatest return on our investment , our daughter starting out well prepared for life’s challenges and true thanks from her heart to us . Talk about a high yield return …

SeeBee
SeeBee

Sounds like she had great parents….her “formal” education was secondary.

Anonymous
Anonymous

That sounds an awful lot like my story. Some time back while my daughter was in school she had said that college should be free. I told her to get to work on that and maybe in a couple of years she might have that accomplished. She thought for a moment and said “that would not be fair because she would be done with schooling and everybody else would get free college after she worked so hard”. I said “yup and after you worked so hard you would be stuck with their bill. Do you still want free college?”

Articles of Confederation

Removing the govt. from the school loan racket would eliminate the need for many of these overly complex solutions, which due to human nature would end up being co-opted after a couple of generations anyways. It would also shrink the size of financial institutions, albeit just a tad. Follow the money.

The free market would eliminate Gender Studies, unless the “degreed” prefers living on toast and tomato sandwiches.

What you’re proposing seems to me another side of the authoritarian coin when all that should be done is to shut down the system that’s overheating. If Congress continues to fund this bullshit, POTUS should refuse to sign the bill. This is a hill worth dying on.

My humble recommendation? KISS.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC.
Amen. Vain people create vain solutions to non problems. Follow the money. KISS.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Education system is not broken. It is doing exactly what it is intended to do manufacture dumb ass free shitters.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed

” It is doing exactly what it is intended to do…” which includes bankrupting the nation.

splurge
splurge

which includes bankrupting the nation.

Nay, that’s the Federal Reserve’s job. Banker = looter

BehindEnemyLines
BehindEnemyLines

In addition, how many of the jobs in school systems are not necessary to the education process? Are huge salaries for admins justified? And the golden parachutes ? Voter approved bonds by ignorant voters and/or vote fraud encourage the continuing looting under color of law. Another abused government job creation program at the expense of the people.

mark
mark

BehindEnemyLines – Best handle I have seen in a while! I occasionally use Constitutional Cong that stems from the same attitude and reality.

I also agree with your post.

As a viable and needed impact on the discussion (coming from a former Apprentice Pressman and Photo Engraver) I would appoint Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs and Technical/Vocational training/education fame to run the Department of Education.

Articles of Confederation

Mike Rowe is badass. Funny how a liberal arts major became so humbled in the process of seeing what jobs make the world run smoothly. And he’s spot on WRT apprenticeships.

Articles of Confederation

Mark,

Watch this one.

mark
mark

AOC,

1,000 +

I was an apprentice 3 days out of a Vocational HS…and then again after the military in the same trade.

Ended up in a different field I stumbled across in a part time Christmas job I was born for, but Vocational & Technical HS instead of the PC fru fru la la bullshit useless educations too many were guided into, and went for decade after decade…was a path for many into a decent living and the middle class, back in the day.

Going back to that goes against want the Globalists want…too many ‘skilled’ blue collar apprentices who have the foundationb for a trade, real skills, value.

They just want useless eaters.

Articles of Confederation

I’ve taken young bucks and turned them into some fantastic engineers using my philosophy of “mentorship”. I have my own way of doing things. These kids oftentimes were trained in completely different disciplines. One was a BBA and another just went to a software vocational school. Sure, they were greener than grads from good universities, but they also came without prejudices.

It’s easier for me to “remove the green” than it is to “untrain” bad habits.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Mark.
Useless eaters make useful idiots, until they don’t.

mark
mark

Flea,

It seems to me the ‘guidance’ and the ‘funding’ into churning out the fru fru la la useless Collage PC degreed, and moving away from practical and needed Vocational HS grads while ramping up the numbers of brainwashed Snowflakes was just another ‘step’ in their ‘Long March’ of making more useless idots/eaters.

I think eliminating the American Vocational HS apprenticeship system was intentional.

The more I learn, the more I see TLPTB (Luciferian) hidden hands.

Articles of Confederation

Totally agree. It’s despicable. Every time I have someone over to fix something in my house, I ask them to step me through every little thing so I can practice in my spare time. I had the last guy do some work on my graywater drain lines and figured out how to do it myself when I expand it.

I think it’s fun to learn about how shit works. Only thing that sucks about being in my crawlspace “learning” is how allergic I am to dust.

mark
mark

AoC,

Somewhere in this thread you posted about being raised Catholic (me two still have a fear of penguins).

I thought this was a good read, just passing it on.

This paragraph in the comment section from the author was interesting:

“People do get blue in the face because they cast their pearls before swine quite often. What really motivates them to keep doing that? Do they really think that those that hate God will listen just because they are able to give them the gospel?”

Gospel of John refutes salvation through perseverance theology

Articles of Confederation

I’ll definitely read it, I read/watch most of what you post. Yeah, effing nuns…Sisters of Notre Dame for me.

mark
mark

AoC, Flea,

I like his blog…direct no nonsense opinions backed up with scripture, he wades deep into politics and prophecy and does not chew his cabbage twice.

I’ll talk with atheists but once the smug mocking, anger, or insults start I’m keeping my pearls out of their lost mud.

TS

Mark; I was thinking that a bit ago.

Articles of Confederation

I’ll talk with atheists but once the smug mocking, anger, or insults start I’m keeping my pearls out of their lost mud.

Yup. Pride goeth before the fall. I had to learn that the hard way. A lot of the folks who are atheists just haven’t had enough pain in life to force them to a crossroad…where you have to choose to get busy living or get busy dying. I came very close to getting busy dying, if you follow me.

And that’s probably a good thing. I don’t think many of them are made of the stuff to survive a rocky road.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC..
I couldn’t seem to finish dying thank God, or I would be in hell right now. The misery was so intense, I was hoping for death but it wouldn’t come. If not for that misery I never would have called out.
Mensa clubs are full of Atheists.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Aoc/Mark..
It doesn’t end with us guys either. I discovered how to get my late wife to rape me almost at will. Just wait for her to settle into her chair after supper and walk through the living room in nothing but a tool belt , boots and hardhat. Something about fixin stuff.

SeeBee
SeeBee

Men, it’s as simple as that. (response to Flea.)

Articles of Confederation

LOLLLLL I spit salsa, thanks!

Ghost

Better than what some have to spit.

TS

AoC
Don’t know why I dropped in on this vid this morning, but outstanding. Very true to my life.

BehindEnemyLines
BehindEnemyLines

Was born, raised and have spent most of this life (55+ years) on the lunatic left coast. Should pack up and go but feel a need to hang around for a little longer.

mark
mark

Got it…I meant just being a liberity loving throw back American in 2019 puts U.S. all ‘BehindEnemyLines’.

ursel doran
ursel doran

Major move to belief in socialism reviewed very well, with stats, causes for the indoctrination.
https://mises.org/wire/4-reasons-why-socialism-becoming-more-popular

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Wow. You did so well on K-12 and failed quite miserably on higher education.

MONEY is at the root of BOTH problems, yet you completely ignored it here.

There is ONLY one PRIMARY reason why these pointless degrees you rightly rail against exist in the first place – the Federally-Guaranteed Student Loan Program (combined in part with the Fed’s inflationary policies, atrocious tax policies, accreditation protectionism, labor laws that impact hiring practices, etc.).

If colleges and universities could only charge what people could actually afford for schooling, they would be FORCED by the free market, to lower their costs or provide more subsidies/scholarships/work-study programs/etc. But thanks to Uncle Sam, virtually everyone can get nearly all the money they want in loans from banks who will never be on the hook for non-repayment. They could fund their own loan programs, but would then be forced to be accountable to themselves over the quality of the degrees they offered and the marketability of them as well – all good things. Some are even doing income sharing agreements with students, where payback comes as a percent of future income – even further putting the colleges on the hook for the quality of their product.

And if student loans still existed, just imagine a prospective student walking into a bank for a loan. They would be asked both their current financial situation along with their prospective major/degree. STEM folks would be given more money and lower interest rates, while some majors might be rejected out of hand or given seriously less money or higher interest rates. At the same time, colleges and universities would be forced to pare back pointless and unmarketable degree programs as nobody would be enrolling in them. Even tenure might fall by the wayside.

The biggest difference overall from your plans is that these changes would happen because of FREE MARKET pressures, not the violent, forced-based proposals you put forth.

And how did you miss how things like Psychiatry have gained such power over our society? – A: The government protectionist racket of the FDA/DEA drug complex, combined with state legislation regarding the practice of medicine, the AMA’s power over the entire medical practice, restrictions on numbers of medical schools, residency programs, and so much more that a free market would NEVER tolerate.

Always look to what government has done FIRST. They have a hand in EVERY segment of our society, and everything they touch turns to shit. Proper solutions, even if difficult to implement, will come first by getting government OUT of the situation and allowing the free market to address the REAL needs of consumers (versus politicians and lobbyists).

David Erickson
David Erickson

MrLiberty, you are right again as usual. SAO, you were on the right track two days ago with your comment (to Austin, TX: School District MANDATES Teaching Anal Sex to Children in Grades 3-8) when you said the following:

“Close all gov’t schools, sell off the properties and allow the free market to actually teach kids in private schools. Once parents can choose where to send their kids, any school not working as expected gets a market reaction known as bankruptcy. That can’t happen to a gov’t school with all their unionized teachers, overpaid administrators and politicized school boards.”

The complete solution is to go even farther, and not only close all government schools, but enact complete separation of education and state. I.e., government can’t mandate attendance, pay for schools, mandate curriculum, mandate graduation requirements, or have any other involvement with schools or education.

Your article here basically proposes more central planning to fix the current problems caused by central planning, which is the typical statist “solution”.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Mr. L.
Right you are. It was Rocky who pushed to have Psychiatry recognized by the AMA. Prior to that they were just Witch Doctors with Phd’s in Psychobabble.
“while some majors might be rejected out of hand” or maybe laughed out of the office.

Articles of Confederation

I agree with you. At the same time, if we are to red pill the nation and not simply exist in our own little echo chamber here, we need to simplify the message. I’ve been lurking here so long that I’m learning from other posters how they make a profound impact by being concise.

I fail at it quite a bit. 🙂

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Freedom doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker….sadly.

We can simplify the message, but sadly folks are used to having everything spoon-fed to them. As with comments from other posters about yesterday’s K-12 commentary, some want to see details down to the utter minutia as to how something will be implemented. Funny that they don’t worry about the minutia for anything that already exists, but need to have it for anything that will change…but that seems to be not just human nature, but also the 12 year brainwashing they were subjected to that made freedom scary, and government “solutions” all warm and fuzzy.

Sometimes it is also important to anticipate the inevitable questions and cover them, especially if they are routinely brought up in discussions. That can make the argument longer than one might hope for.

Articles of Confederation

Freedom doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker….sadly.

It doesn’t. Nor does how we live our lives, or a good book on philosophy. Agreed.

You are hitting on one of my personal weaknesses, and that is lack of patience with people who are so indoctrinated to think uncritically that they question the “basics”. I want to beat my head against a wall when I have to explain 1 + 1 always equals 2, no matter how much they fight me on it.

You have an awful lot of good ideas IMHO…I’ve only disagreed once or twice or so. I don’t want to see your thoughts get lost in a tl;dr issue. 🙂 Especially when I am so burnt out saying the same type of shit over and over and over and…

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC..
I enjoy your longer comments. Some people are gifted at providing the details behind a one liner. That not being my Forte I always appreciate it.

thetruthonly

Meanwhile, back in Leftyville Santa Cruz, I see the “progressive” City Council is proposing to make all Federal type I drugs (of the organic psychoactive nature) legal and eliminate local law enforcement regarding such. The actual agenda document is a non-credited (i.e. plagiarized) copy of the same passed by the Berkeley City council by a 22 yr old progressive who represents the 7’th district (all of UC Berkeley of which he is a recent grad). Turns out he plagiarized it from Oakland (I don’t have that story of that origin, but). So anyway, our very own Leftist city council, elected by radical UCSC University students (18,000 in a city of 65,000), is copying a free for all in drugs policy from a similar city (Berkeley with UC Berkeley) copied from another cesspool of dependency Oakland.

Got me exactly how, but somehow this figures into your story here.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

And why is restoring personal freedom and a sense of personal ownership a bad thing? How is ensuring that police resources are not wasted a bad thing? I will certainly agree that freedoms such as thing are a problem when handing out free shit to everyone who can’t take care of themselves, but on principle, the concept of personal freedom and liberty to put into your body what YOU wish seems very positive. Why conservatives are repulsed by the concept of personal freedom is a mystery to me as enforcement of counter laws only creates bigger government or diverts resources away from crimes with real victims.

splurge
splurge

Why conservatives are repulsed by the concept of
personal freedom is a mystery to me

I think the answer to that is that the only thing conservatives conserve is the progressive agenda.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

You comment is painting with as broad a brush as mine….not that I disagree for most of the so-called conservatives I have known. But of course words like “liberal,” “conservative,” “progressive,” etc. especially in the US, do not have well-defined meanings that fully capture the political attitudes of even all that call themselves by these names.

splurge
splurge

Absolutely correct, my point if I can make it is that to be appreciative of the concept of personal freedom in the current times one really has to be a sort of reactionary.

SeeBee
SeeBee

Not Revolutionary?

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

I call us Radicals….because to the sheeple conformists personal freedom and common sense seem so radical!

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Heck man, you and I probably disagree 1/3 of the time but you aren’t afraid to put it all out there. I don’t care what you call yourself, that goes a long way.

splurge
splurge

That works just fine.!

RiNS

many more fields are largely based on a plausible story as their foundation, sans evidence.

Well wouldn’t it be nice if that could be done..

Religions are noticeably absent from that list.

I wonder why Donkey?

I do like this though…

It infantilizes young adults to produce a steady stream of victims and mental midgets completely unprepared to meet the real adult world.

Here is a story told to me by a co-worker this week.

Her cousin’s daughter, who is a recently graduated Occupational Therapist, was required to write an exam for her Professional Accreditation. Anyways it is apparently a tough exam to pass and takes about six to complete. Not everyone passes on their first try. So this girl has completed 7 years of Post Secondary Accommodations and you guessed it failed on first attempt.

No worries they say.
So she writes it again.
Fails again.

So they even allow them to write it a third time… for reasons.
So Drum roll…
She fails again.

That is when the problems start.
Because even the OT Professional Association of Nova Scotia has standards.

That should have been the end of it.
What happens next.

The parents hire lawyers to let her write again…
Of course the appeal is rejected.

But that ain’t even the end of it.

The latest plan is to redo 2 years of education in order to start process anew.

Amazing..
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M G
M G

I upvoted you, Rob… that’s a good one.

When I had my first major surgery, I was in the process of getting my thesis approved for a master’s degree. I tried to extend my thesis deadline, but after three or four more revisions of the brain drain, I finally decided Odin was trying to tell me something.

I told my thesis chair(s) I was no longer interested in completing my masters’ degree. Trying to do so was obviously destroying my brain.

22winmag - w/o tagline

There you have it. I will look away now.

Men of Christ do not upon walk the Earth except upon the backs and shoulders of women they have helped save and raised up.

Tomorrow is a special day for me, only for the luck having seen glimpses of Christ on Earth.

The last 109 years have been blackface, subterfuge, and obfuscation for all the reasons that should be readily apparent. Actually no, because that would rise or fall on the assumption you have free thought, literacy, and can register your opinion in voice and print, no matter how imperfect.

If the word of Christ ever mattered, it’s because you rode on the back of 100-some odd women, to be here today. You can thank Christ later, I already did.

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Wait. She didn’t even sign her resignation! If it’s so fantastic, or so terrible Katie Hill (woman) got elected to represent her district in Washington, why has she fled on an unsigned resignation document with unfinished #metoo business?

How many times did I say Red State was always a good watch?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Arianna Arivanni is that you?

Andrea Iravani

You could at least get my name right, dufus.

Anonymous
Anonymous

My memory ain’t what it used to be. So that is you posting as 22 win?

TS

Well, h-e-l-l-o…
Long time, no castigate.
What’s the haps?
Lessen, ‘course, you’re a Lenny-derivative.

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Nah, it’s me. Just messing with Anonymous. And no I’m not 22. He is ALL alone as himself. 🙂

TS

AoC
Ah, a sheep in wolve’s clothing.

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LOL I like that.

starfcker
starfcker

Worthless? Those chickenshit college degrees are the the best investment of time a young woman or person of color can make. Practically a winning lotto ticket. https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/almost-80000-california-retirees-receive-over-100000-pension-pay

TS

Engineers… here’s my experience with engineers. Avionics, structural, hydraulics, pneumatics, automotive, ag equipment, etc.

Andrea Iravani

Yup, that’s why I strive to be both when blessed with the time. Nothing is a substitute for personal experience.

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TS, it’s AoC. Forgot I was fucking around last night as Irritati.

TS

AoC
To be sure, I’ve dealt with some pretty awesome engineers, but they’re few and far between. They usually have about the same level of disdain for the morons that we, who were tasked with implementing said moronic effluvia, did.

Anonymous
Anonymous

From an Old Cow Doctor,
Your spot on but it will never happen peacefully.

pb
pb

IOW, make the Higher Education sector a means to an end instead of being the end itself? So sensible it sounds radical.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Which runs completely counter to what a “liberal arts” education was about in the 1700s and 1800s (and even early 1900s). A higher education was about expanding one’s knowledge for the sake of expanding one’s knowledge. Apprenticeships and the like were the way one actually learned skills for doing a job, etc. (excluding professions like law, medicine, dentistry, etc.) Face it…most degrees do NOT give one the skills one needs to do a job. They may provide some foundation (most of the STEM stuff), but even there, the day-to-day stuff comes from being there, taking direction, and being able to learn and think. Much of higher education stretches the brain so that more learning can happen after the piece of paper is received.

The real problem today is that colleges and universities are trying to do BOTH…and failing at both.

Anonymous
Anonymous

” Son, I’m proud for you to have passed your Private Pilot’s check ride today. Just remember, that it means that you have achieved an at best, minimum standard of competency. It is a ticket towards learning and being a better, more competent Pilot.”

ursel doran
ursel doran

For consideration perhaps the Massive crippling debacle of the student loan program has the same function as the military, TSA, and most of the other government funded programs. Get them off the unemployment role stats.

CONGRATS Sir, glad you nailed what I refer to as the “Ologists”.
Geologist, sociologist, paleontologist, psychologist, etc.
Study something for the sake of mental masturbation with NO commercial end in sight, especially without the next two levels of *work permits*.
Well known: B.S. & (MS = More s***) & (PHD = Piled higher and deeper).

The big deal now from one of my friends in a PHD program funded by the Department of Energy, to determine if prickly pear cactus plants can be used to make jet fuel, or gasoline. Just a hopeless sick joke effort.
He says the the biggest problem is for all the grad students to find the absolutely required, NEW, never studied problem, to do a thesis on, so there are now just more and more total B.S. thesis produced just to do one. Keeps the department heads in their $250,000 secured jobs until early retirement.

Uncola

Late to the party and setting aside the theological concerns as addressed in this thread, it seems the lines of separation fall between truth and bullshit, reality vs. emotionalism, STEM vs Liberal Arts/social sciences, etc.

Walk onto any college campus today and you’ll find lots of these…

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and these…

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usually wearing turtlenecks or scarves and dark-rimmed glasses while exuding the latent hostility and haughty pride of those who have achieved their imaginary black-belts in politically-correct legerdemain.

So follow the money. Ease of credit has indebted entire generations now enslaved by fiat spun from thin air. Kids are coddled by schoolmarms and all you can eat buffets – seemingly free of charge…

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Every whim satisfied in state-of-the-art facilities complete with rock-climbing walls and baskets of free condoms on every counter.

Is it any wonder why they grew up to vote for Bernie Claus amid dreams of unicorns flatulating rainbows over clouds of cotton candy?

Perhaps the real question is why it happened.

Welcome SAO

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Why? You answered it in the first two sentences of your third paragraph – “So follow the money. Ease of credit has indebted entire generations now enslaved by fiat spun from thin air.”

Once the money starts flowing, everyone signs up to take some. The beast grows and grows, as do the vested interests who lobby congress and others to keep the gravy train rolling. EVERYONE KNOWS that if guaranteed student loans go away, higher education will be reduced to something with point and purpose and without all the fancy dining options, granite-countertopped on-campus apartments, and so, so much more.

Currently helping out a friend’s blind son who attends Kennesaw State University north of Atlanta. He lives at an off-campus apartment that is geared just for students. Granite countertops, the largest public pool in the city, big screen TVs and seating areas all around the pool, workout facilities that are bigger than most private gyms, and his own bedroom/bathroom. It is no wonder he wishes to stay in school as long as possible either.

Meanwhile my experience of shared rooms, shared bathrooms, crappy dining halls, and working to support myself through college, got me more than interested in getting out as quickly as possible. Oh, and he even has a free bus that gets him to and from campus every day.

Uncola

Yeah, I forgot the free transportation. All the bases covered, just like Obama’s “Life of Julia”.

The fiat was/is the how and not the why, per se. It was all a trap. Bubbles bubbles everywhere. College loans to get them where they learn. Mortgages to get them where they live. And then car loans to get them when they go.

All fueled by advertising, lust, vanity, and normalcy bias.

Sadly, by the time they discover nothing was as it seemed, it will be too late. Shit happens? Or by design? When they learn they sold their birthright to bankers, what’s the difference? comment image

SeeBee
SeeBee

“Sadly, by the time they discover nothing was as it seemed, it will be too late. Shit happens? Or by design? When they learn they sold their birthright to bankers, what’s the difference? ”

Sadly, you are correct. And the dumbing down just prolongs discovery.

SeeBee
SeeBee

These “perks” are the means used to love and obey your oppressor. Until they gotcha.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles

Think about it, though: they are analogous to a hotel jockeying for four-year contracts for business travellers working for a company with a book of blank cheques and no comptroller.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe

Well this jerkoff got his Masters degree to explain to the rest of us, that Whitey getting a degree is a waste of time and money. No shit Sherlock. Wake up and smell the obvious.

ursel doran
ursel doran

Another college is a waste of time article of interest.

What Do You Do With a B.A. in English?

Llpoh
Llpoh

Look, the basic premise is correct – the system is broken. But the solutions are far simpler than what is proposed in the article. For instance, the author says this:

“All higher education facilities should be mandated to provide their graduates with job opportunities via an employment agency owned and operated by the institution, not a contracted for service. The schools should be totally responsible for finding each graduate a position in the degree field of study for 5 years post graduation.”

Seriously, that is a proposed solution? Gotta find students jobs? Really? What next, I go down to the store and buy some bread, and they have to come toast it for me? I mean, since when does the world have to mandate against people doing stupid things? Stupid has to have consequences, and we need to stop trying to override that basic reality.

Here it is – simple solution. Get the government out of the funding of stupid degrees. End of story. System fixed. The govt is subsidizing students studying things they should not. Perhaps the govt might fund STEM degrees and trade schools, and nothing else. And only the most talented get the funding – say top 10% or 20% on standardised nationwide or statewide exams. Let the competition begin.

If the students are studying and are using their own funds, I could not care one iota what the hell they study. It is their money, and they can spend it on any damn thing they want, no matter how stupid.

This is what will happen if the governments – state and local – stop funding anything other than perhaps STEM and trade schools:

Market forces will kick in, and the stupid will stop. Colleges and universities will actually have to provide value. Parents will not be able to send their kids off to school on other people’s money, and will be forced to make wiser decisions, as will the students.

It is easy to be stupid with other people’s money, and it is understandable how many young people are unable to understand and foresee the burden of endless loan repayments when their black studies degree is worthless.

But when they have to work and save and spend their own money for an education, or spend mom and dad’s money, they will wise up fast.

But to do things like make a college responsible for finding a student a job is just taking responsibility from the students, which is where it belongs.

The markets should be allowed to function. Replacing one ill-conceived system – rampant student loans – with another like making colleges find students jobs – is asking for trouble.

Instead we need to make individuals responsible for their decisions. The current system is broken, as it funds people that should not be in college to study courses that should not be taught. So turn off the damn spigot and stop the money.

It is amazing how discerning those young people will be when they have to,spend their own money.

TS

And there it is. Sound critical thinking and sound reasoning, based on the core value that practically everybody here says they believe in – you are responsible for your own decisions and get the gov. the fuck out of where it doesn’t belong. Still won’t happen, but this is bottom line. Something you, Llpoh, seem to consistently find.
Hey, there’s a country song in there somewhere.

starfcker
starfcker

Under a more normal state of the state, Llpoh, that would be the common sense position. But that fails to take into account the massive increase in lucrative government employment for women and minorities, using that college credential as the golden ticket, along with unlimited hiring preferences.. Look at the photos posted by Unco above. If not government work, where would these women fit into the economy? Daycare maybe. Cleaning motel rooms? Bookkeeper in some back office? A lot of government employment is just a more dignified version of welfare, or at the very least, a massive overpayment for the skills they offer. I think that was one of your 10 things the other day, overpayment of government employees. As long as that exists, and let’s face it, it exists, going to college is a smart investment for women and minorities, no matter the source of their student loans.

TS

Star –
That’s also a bottom line – all of these ‘solutions’ are just exercises in what-if. Ain’t going to go away, ain’t gonna get fixed until there’s nothing left to fix. However that looks when it finally slides into home plate.

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And this is my lowest common denominator. I agree 100% with Charlie and Llpoh on the very simple solution. But even THAT is, unfortunately, tilting at windmills. It ain’t gonna get fixed! Not without a crash and burn. Govt. employment is frequently nothing but welfare transfer payments.

I’ve talked before about how much love I had for my Commonwealth of Virginia. But it has done a 180 since I GTFO in 2009 for good…I saw the writing on the wall. All of the Anglophiles from Pennsylvania, Maryland, New York and New Jersey have swarmed NoVA like locusts and continue to push closer and closer to Richmond. They consume EVERYTHING, to the point where over 10% of VA GDP is government-related.

There is no way to convince these animals (i.e. outside of a monetary/sovereign debt crisis) to reduce the size and scope of govt.!

Lars
Lars

“If not government work, where would these women fit into the economy?”

Why not land a solid somewhat older WN husband when she’s in her late teens or early twenties, sex him every day, run the household, raise 3 or 4 rowdy kids, kick them out as soon as Dad says so, then start her own business, pursue her intellectual or artistic ambitions, and eventually overindulge all her grandkids?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Lars.
Right. And if they don’t like that choice, there is always the straw mat outside the town gate.

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hahahahaha you’re on fire today!

starfcker
starfcker

Great post Lars. The road back to sanity as a country.

TampaRed
SeeBee
SeeBee
Hans
Hans

I refer this issue as the Baccalaureate Syndrome. As is often
stated – “follow the money.” It is no longer “higher education”
but rather indoctrination – as pronounced by Dennis Prager.
The explosion of taxpayer funds has produced another leftist
institution, which excels in the waste of resources and lives.
The average wage for “workers” at the University of Minnesota
is $62,000 per year + benefits.

In Maoisota, more state m0ney is spend on so called high ed
than the justice system !

Mike Rowe, has amplified this dilemma that America has hundreds
of thousands of indebted scholars because we got rid of school shop
and home economics.

This what we call progress under the Socshevik new order! [in the makings
since 1880-1900]

To stop the plundering and looting, simply destroy the Deportment [sic]
of Education. Oh “How dare you” will be the refrain!! Even the Repubcos
will fold their tents and go home.

What is badly needed are 1776 Conservatives. Nothing less will do to
save America from the Moveon.Soros and their ilk.

SeeBee
SeeBee

I’d take plumber over a PhD any day!

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Bingo. I don’t want nor do I tolerate pseudo-intellectuals. They are wastes of flesh, if I may be so bold. Give me guys who follow my instructions on farming and who teach the community skills, like how to drill wells, plumb a latrine, snipe an intruder, and so on.

Who wants a pussy sitting behind a desk 24/7??? They’d be out of breath pushing a wheelbarrow up a hill!

Hans
Hans

AOC [not to confused with the radical in CONgress], I concur
entirely.

“Give me guys who follow my instructions on farming and who teach the community skills, like how to drill wells, plumb a latrine, snipe an intruder, and so on.”

This eliminates about 90% of the population. And those whom are
requested to push a wheelbarrow, would axe if it is self-propelled and
a battery operated.

“Who wants a pussy sitting behind a desk 24/7???” Those whom do not
want to sweat; need a desk and a title to boot.

All forms of employment are important, whether a COE or a janitor.

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I agree! I’m prepared for the incoming downvotes when I say this, but Dr. King was right: If you’re a street sweeper, be the best street sweeper. If you can’t be the tree on the hill, be a good shrub. Whatever you do, do it the best you possibly can.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

Welcome to the grinder.

What you have presented is your thesis on higher education. What follows in the comments are the critique of your thesis (along with a healthy mix of personal criticisms). It is your job to defend your position and change the opinion of those that disagree with you. Unable to do that, but clinging to your thesis, you venture very close to falling in with the climate hoaxers who ignore criticism and think anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

Lively debate is how policy decisions should be made rather than controlled by the highest bidding lobbyist. Don’t take it personal.

My critique comes from you list of musts and must nots. By what power does the government derive these abilities? Right now the government is already confiscating money from me at gunpoint to subsidize education. Now you are proposing the government also control the lives of those attending school? Seems to me a better solution, as was mentioned many times above, is to get government out and let the market control higher education.

Our system of higher education is no longer really what university was supposed to be. It has become a glorified vocational system with 4 years of indoctrination mixed in with very little teaching. My own undergraduate degree, Physics, was spent memorizing and regurgitating facts, figures, and methods in between mandatory “Liberal Arts” classes. I could have learned as much about Physics in 2 years as I did in 4 years at a major and respected university had I not been forced to take classes like World Religions and History of Cinema for several hundred dollars per credit.

Studying Physics at University rather than vocational school should have also focused on the theoretical aspects with opportunity to research regardless of what rabbit hole it lead to. For instance, while I was there 20-something years ago they were starting to think about quantum computing but as a problem. When components were shrunk to a certain degree where were the actual electrons? There was concern that they would be reaching the smallest size conductors in the near future. In the time since then, research has not only gotten past that problem but made it an asset as using the principles of uncertainty, among others, they have created computer systems that are like comparing a donkey to a ferrari in terms of computing power and speed.

You, and a few others, have mentioned being engineers. What research did you do at university rather than learn from others research? That isn’t asked as a degrading question but rather to stimulate thought between an engineering degree from university and what could be learned in a vocational setting. The same is true with a large majority of STEM degrees. Besides licensing agencies that require a number of years spent in college to join the club (BA, BS, etc) what could be learned in an apprentice/vocational setting that an engineer didn’t learn at university. The closest we have now is a degree in engineering vs a degree in engineering technology. I have friends with both and to a large extent they do the same job.

In my own career, I never worked a single day in the physics field. I graduated during the tech boom of the late 90’s and secured employment in that field. My cousin who was fairly high up at Ford at the time told me, “All the degree gets you is the interview. What you make of it is 100% up to you”. I’m sure there are many on here that have degrees they never used but are quite gainfully employed at a position where their degree got them an interview.

EyeBeSingle
EyeBeSingle

I studied engineering tech. I worked at University – Mechanical Eng dept while studying undergrad. I Invented, designed and built 3d printer – designed the optics, programmed the machine -motion controls to 500nm precision, auto-focusing, SLM and laser controls, 3d slicing algorithms all myself. When the professors and PhDs failed at photo curing polymer-derived-ceramics I stepped in and found the photocuring formulation and proved. Needed laser diffuser and sought help from laser physicists professors and post docs, the best they offered was 1% efficient so I invented a technique that got 75% efficiency. I went around University automating experiments for all branches of science and solved tons of problems. Single handedly brought in Texas Instruments as donating member to University. Then I dropped out. University Cops and administration attacked me for starting cannabis club (over 5,000 members) that got student gov to mandate a sign be installed in front of police station that said “stop arresting pot smokers” – yes it got installed:)

There are so many frauds and intellectual thieves at Universities that it is disgusting. I got berated by the engineering students when I said I never cheated on a test. Because they all said “Everyone in engineering cheats on tests” They got Masters degrees and I left without a degree. Now everywhere I have worked I solve problems the top scientists and engineers can’t solve. Only problem I have had is that I have now invented a stargate with no way to obtain the components necessary to build it. I found that reading books, tinkering with tech and tripping on lsd/mushrooms/master plants is much better for problem solving and new discovery than any University.

The solution to the University problem is the same solution for every other problem in the US -uphold Article 1 section 10 of US constitution -gold and silver coin only. Uphold that and the whole fraudulent sham blows up, every bureaucrat gets fired and executed, the bankers get charged with fraud, their assets seized, they get executed, freedom returns, the socialist parasites starve to death or get killed trying to steal from their neighbors, the swamp gets drained, dries up and we get to watch the criminal lobbyists flap around until they suffocate from lack of swamp to breath in.

mark
mark

Yea man, “uphold Article 1 section 10 of US constitution -gold and silver coin only.”

EyeBeSingle, interesting post.

Lars
Lars

Without honest money, nothing will work in the long run. No need to mandate PM’s. As with education, just keep government out. Let willing buyers and sellers use whatever currency or barter they mutually agree upon, whether bottles of moonshine, hours of labor, bushels of corn, electromagnetic impluses on computer chips…whatever works for those traders in the marketplace who lack access, especially during a transitional phase, to more traditional forms of money. In short order gold will, as always, emerge supreme. My 2 bits.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Lars.
Any medium. As a kid I remember all of our parents bartering all the time. Eggs for bacon live hens for potatos etc. Cash was dear and was needed for things like the electric bill. It was still normal till around 58 or so. I was too young to know much beyond that but I still remember. Everyone knew or could find the going rate for anything and base their barter on it. We had one Cop and one Dog Catcher for the whole township and the Dog Catcher was more important because there were lots of poultry farms lambs and calves for a pack of strays to feast on.

TS

I remember my folks trading horses for tools and equipment, or a beef steer for a tractor, or fencing for lumber – very little cash flow and everyone was happy.

Lars
Lars

Fleabaggs,

My Pa and Ma worked more than 45 years together in their joint law firm in a medium-size midwestern agricultural town. Occasionally a younger lawyer would join them until he accumlated a self-sufficient client base. Though I didn’t fully understand why, and to my Mom’s chagrin, my father, it seemed, was always accepting cases from crony friends and referrals who had no cash, but offered tangible items in exchange for his representation in the court room ( though it was usually my Mom who cranked out the documents and such ).

In our colossal back yard or in the garage above the creek, I remember being fascinated by old farm tractors, flat-bed trucks, plows, cargo trailers, camping equipment, lawn mowers, an Indian motor cycle, sets of tools, encyclopedias, a ’38 Buick, paintings, sewing machines, a Cadillac El Dorado etc etc.

I also fondly remember an old hermitic, mostly illiterate fellow from the Missouri Ozarks, who was somehow being cheated out of a plot of land he had inherited and who thought Roosevelt was still president. He boarded with us for a week or so in order to refurbish some of my Mom’s furniture from the 1930’s – with astonishing skill BTW – while my Dad was rectifying his legal troubles.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Lars.
I remember an old man called the goatman who would sell a milk goat for 5 bucks but nobody had 5 bucks to spare for a milk goat when there were dairy cows all over. Lots of us still lived in tarpaper shacks. That was the happiest time of my life. When we finished building the big house we thought we needed to be white instead of shanty Irish the debt caused my parents to become paranoid of losing it and there was no more joy in mudville.

Lars
Lars

Appreciate your story, Fleabaggs.

In the early days our house was small, old and patched together, the road out front was unpaved, our furniture consisted of Marine Corps trunks, a couple of card tables, Navy cots, and an old buffet and hutch from my Grandma. But I barely noticed. My Mom cooked at home, and we always managed to eat well. Our neighbors were somewhat more “affluent,” mostly because they were older and were working steady jobs.

When my Dad bought me a used Schwynn balloon tire bomber, I stripped it down, and nearly killed myself once playing daredevil against my buddies – power-pedaling down the slope of an old dry pond bed, then up and off a makeshift ramp into the air, and crash-landing on hard dirt.

In the afternoons we rode our bikes freely for many miles outside town along dirt country roads, exploring wood patches, farm fields, muddy creeks, and prairie hills. No gears, coaster brakes only, no helmets, no shirts, no special shoes, no special equipment, no municipal-issued licenses, no adults, no hostile alien peoples to be wary of.

For me it was an idyllic phase which faded away all too soon as my folks, acquiring success and material security, moved to a bigger better house in a more upscale area, and I morphed into an anxious, overly competitive academic over-achiever in a large sports-dominated urban public school system.

TS

Lars
Sounds like my childhood. Mine was also an old Schwinn. A friend was the envy of us all; he had springs on the forks. By 8 we were miles into the forest all the time. Only pavement was the main hwy. Everything else was gravel or dirt track, or game trail.
When we were about 8 or 9 my cousin and I used to lay planks in the truck when it was backed into the loading ramp on the ranch. Into the bed we would go, just as hard as we could pedal, up the planks and jump over the cab. It was 6′ racks and about 10′ to the ground in front. We had a few epic wrecks!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Lars.
Haven’t heard the word balloon tires since the fifties. Remember the chains skipping when you stood up to peddle.

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Lars,

When we moved here, we decided to buy an older house with land. For a single income family, it was either nice house in a shitty HOA, or a 40 year old fixer-upper (bigtime!) with 6.1 acres of land.

The choice for us was easy. We wouldn’t be able to afford it now, sadly. All of the Illinoisans and Minnesotans, liberals all, are swamping us.

M G
M G

Teddy or FDR? Just askin’ I’m in the Ozarks. That’s the hotel at Pilot Knob behind me.

SeeBee
SeeBee

“Without honest money, nothing will work in the long run.” We can’t have honest money without a (mostly) honest population. 20 years ago I could do business on a handshake. Today, that would be seen as an assault.

Lars
Lars

Honest people are critical. Nonetheless, hard money like gold and silver make it much easier for honest people to safeguard themselves against dishonest people.

mark
mark

For years now when I see a needed but potential barter items on clearance or a good sale price I buy 3, 5, 6, 10, 12, depending on what it costs, and just stash most (that I will probably never use in my lifetime unless TSHTF) in those $19.99 plastic trunks you can get at Wally World. Stash some of the ‘stuff’ in sealed plastic bags inside them, and stack the trunks in the barn.

Then when the trunks go on sale… I buy another stack of them.

If a barter period breaks back out I am going to be flush.

If not, my heirs are not going to have to buy a lot of ‘stuff’ for about a decade.

SeeBee
SeeBee

Mark, I hope when that times comes, you will consider adopting me. I clean up nice.

mark
mark

SeeBee,

Ha!

I have a plan for four other families, those old blood, love, and marriage ties…but a good sense of humor will always find a home.

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Mark, Flea,

I was thinking of you guys today when I asked my wife to take a pic of the below saffron crocus. It’s our first of the year and God never ceases to amaze me with his goodness. Everyone told me middle TN is no place to grow saffron crocus. Heavy clay, very shallow rocky limestone, too humid, poor drainage, too alkaline.

When you garden like God does in the woods, well, “can’t” isn’t in His lexicon! I’ve turned this soil into some good stuff.
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Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC.
Sure miss the seasons back east.

Articles of Confederation

How could anyone look at that complex lifeform that came from a “simple” corm and not see God? Why was I so ignorant just 3 years ago?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Aoc.
Wow. In three years you caught on to what took me about 12.

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Flea, mine was likely expedited because it wasn’t me who directly suffered. It was my daughter losing her hair (men never have appreciation for what hair means to a woman, and she is still bald but beautiful), my son getting kicked out of Catholic school for anger management (little shit is too damn smart for his own good), an oops pregnancy, my wife’s breast cancer, and my sister’s breast cancer. That was a shitty 2+ years, especially when I was an atheist managing an engineering team as sole breadwinner.

Sometimes I feel like the caretaker has it worse than the disease sufferer because we can’t fix them and we can’t take the burden from them. We’re powerless. I wasn’t used to feeling that way and I damn near reached my personal breaking point.

If what happened to you had happened to me, it would have taken me 12 years, too. You suffered a lot and everyone’s Cross is dramatically different. I can’t imagine what you’ve been through. And yet some of us apparently are swords that are tough as shit to temper, but damn it, God will temper us.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC..
Hope they are ok now.

Articles of Confederation

Thanks, they’re better, although I’d do anything to give my daughter my hair. I don’t need it. It’s hard enough being a kid as it is. My sister was HER2+, so we do think about recurrence. My wife needs another surgery here soon.

I keep beating the same drum in this thread, apparently. Marcus Aurelius talked about not despairing over what does or does not happen to you. It happens according to a divine plan. I think he’s right. Why borrow trouble?

I’ll post the articles Fox News and Cosmopolitan wrote up on them sometime. Woulda done it already if I weren’t so paranoid.

mark
mark

My wife has the amazing capability of not worrying about almost anything.

Her favorite saying is: “Don’t borrow sorrow from tomorrow.”

I just smile at her and nod while I’m cleaning one of my guns.

vive la différence

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I wish you were my neighbor, LOL. That is a great saying. I think what it is for me, Mark, is that I feel now like I’ve been about as healed as these old scars will allow, and I’m ready for whatever the Father wants me to do. I’m at peace until the next crisis, LOL. I had a lot of childhood scars as well which I don’t like to discuss, but which also scarred over as best as they can.

I always ask God to guide my hands…you feel it in your gut what the answer is.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Wow! AOC, you said a lot in 3 short paragraphs. This is why I love TBP. You never know who will share a story that makes you want to cry and smile at the same time.

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MC I agree, we should be very thankful to Jim. I sure am.

I would like to write an article about my thoughts and experiences over the last few years, but honestly I’d have to get over my paranoia.

mark
mark

Thanks AoC, me and Flea are two branches from the survivor tree…and there are many other limbs and trunks here.

Check this out (if you haven’t already) I have read it twice.

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Dang it, that’s the name of the book you posted before! I couldn’t find it. Gonna add it to my AMZN order now.

BTW I read that link you posted. Here’s the key point for me and what turned me to atheism.

I came out of the false theology of Roman Catholicism to see false theology come to dominate Protestantism and now even many of those calling themselves Evangelicals or Pentecostals.

mark
mark

AoC,

The major problem with Catholicism in my Mick/Wop family was too many of the men confused it with God and walked away from Him, and too many of the woman thought it was God talking and embraced its legalism and works.

Legalism and works are the two crown jewels of the Vatican.

I was driven away as well but when Born Again stayed cleared of ‘joining’ any demoniation.

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Wow Mark, that’s deep. I never thought of it like that…in my Mick/French family (my parents), that was exactly the situation.

mark
mark

Yea AoC, it became obvious to me most of the men confused the Pharisee Priests and a lot of demands for tithing with God…and most of the Woman confused tradition (family/Catholic) with truth.

But the kicker was none of them, I mean none of them were reading the Bible, just hearing selected verses on Sunday, often out of context. Plus the Pope, the Vatican, and Mary were worshiped (by the woman).

Everything was in Latin on Sundays…that no one understood…and all they knew was what they were told…raised into, and passed on by sending me to Cathloic school.

I had a wonderful boyhood and parents/family, but when it came to God I learned rebellion from the men (but it was really rebellion from Catholicism) and legalism, works, and lots of guilt from the woman.

I actually formerly ex-communicated myself in 1971 at 21.

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I share a LOT of these same feelings and experiences. I have a question for you, sir. What do you think of Fatima? And if you acknowledge its truth, don’t you think we were lied to about the Third Secret?

mark
mark

AoC,

I believe an Angel of Light inspired Mohamad, and Joseph Smith, and that same created fallen Angel is behind Fatima and the Marian apparitions.

He and his dammed 1/3 are and will be part of the great Alien deception that the Vatican has long been working on confirming with their Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mount Graham in southeast Arizona.

The Book of Enoch mirrors and reflects back many Biblical truths, tremendous confirmation on prophecy and great detail on the Nephilim.

Once I got my hands on it much was confirmed.

The vid link: http://www.thinkaboutit.online has many Enoch links I have poured over.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Mark..
Enoch confirmed a lot of things for me.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Mark.
Women seem to like legalism. They have the memory for it and I suspect but don’t really know that being less secure than men it gives them a better idea of whats allowable. Men will just go out and find out whats allowable the hard knocks way.

mark
mark

Flea,

Plus, all of the men were former military, every single one (I had a lot of uncles) and most WW2 or Korea combat vets.

Looking back now it is obvious two never got over their experiences, and lived hard lives because of it. It was always whispered about them both, on how they had changed after they came home.

EyeBeSingle
EyeBeSingle

The constitution only binds government hence the constitution and all statutes only apply to those persons working in that capacity. Those laws have no application whatsoever to the people nor do they claim to. That’s exactly why it is the solution. They are bound to it, don’t have it and committed capital crimes in their use of some debasing Thing other than gold or silver coin as tender for debts of that capacity. All employees of State Universities are State Employees hence they are actively in breach of Article 1 Section 10. The coinage act of 1792 makes it a capital crime to debase the currency hence making it a death penalty crime they are committing every working day. Uphold Article 1 Section 10 and they go bye bye while we will thrive. Prices will drop 90+% as soon as the hangings begin. Without the criminal parasites there will be an over abundance of everything. They should die for what they are doing, they are injuring everyone with their endless war on the United States – which is exactly why debasing currency has ALWAYS been a capital crime in every nation throughout history – it is an injury equivalent to warfare upon everyone in that nation.

Uphold Article 1 Section 10 and Hang them all!

junaid

The United States analyzed the reasons that prompted Russia to enter into a military conflict in Syria in 2015. In addition to the problem in the SAR, there are three more tension points where Russian interests are involved – Libya,

look from the USA: where Russia can send troops

22winmag - w/o tagline

Hey everyone, do you prefer Socialist Solutions Are Obvious, or someone who gave you several elements of today’s massive revelation weeks in advance?

Actually, who would simply trust me over SSAO based on my record thus far?

Sometimes people don’t think. I did for once. Thanks only to Jesus Christ and the LDS who helped make my life good and whole. Lying gets people killed. That is what 1910 was all about. Too much lying about GOOD MEN and GOOD MORMONS.
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SeeBee
SeeBee

Not that killing for any reason (except self defense) is justified, but there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

.22.
Socialist Solutions are Obvious. Perfect, just perfect.

TampaRed

winnie,
i believe i speak 4 many others when i say i don’t understand this comment,enlighten us rubes–
regarding the killings in mexico,as i understand it they were multi generational citizens w/bilateral citizenship so that they could live in mexico so as to avoid u.states marriage laws,why is that our concern?
mexicans shooting across the border, coming over the border illegally or shipping illegal products is our concern,not americans who moved to mexico years ago–
if i’m wrong,please enlighten me —

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Tampa, go to The Still Report on YouTube and watch his latest titled Truth About the Mexican Massacre. It’s only 12 minutes. It will catch you up. I would link it for you but I’m still on my phone and it never cooperates with my attempts at links.

It’s been sucky few days. Put my dog down. Now I’m stuck in the medical gulag *(Fleabaggs) at the ER all afternoon with my husband who is having intestinal issues. Which is why I’m cranky.

mark
mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_tkc8IPGYc

Best to your husband Mary. Caught it last night.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

What he said.

TampaRed

here’s the link,thanks 4 telling me about it–
however,the part pertaining to the murdered family should be irrelevant –they were living in mexico–
i suggested myself a week or so back that we send sf teams in to take out cartel members because of smuggling but this family was only nominally american & imo we should take no action b/c of this–

edit-forgot to say i hope your husband is ok–

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_tkc8IPGYc

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe

Putting a dog down is the shitiest thing anyone has to deal with. Pure of heart, loyal till the end. To save em from pain you have to kill them. To send them on, a big chunk of your soul has to go with them. You put one foot in front of another with a chunk of your heart cut out.

M G
M G

I hope his issues resolve without surgery!

M G
M G

I gotta tell ya, this sure generated some commentary, I will grant you that. Some of it really good debate!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Maggie.
And half of it just a weekend bring your own burger patio party.
BTW. Was that house in the canal on stilts?

Ghost

It was floating. The workers for the dredges LIVED on the barges as they dug and cleared them out. Dad copied dozens of photos from the company hired to survey that land (he was copying photos BEFORE he went to Japan… one weird dude.)

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Maggie.
Thanks. Me and Red can die now but we just had to know before we left.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine

Agreed, MG.
Let me just add that a colonoscopy is in the near future, like this week because the CT scan was showing a something, but we don’t know exactly what…oh boy! I’m glad its him and not me. Is that mean? Not that I want anything to be wrong. Of course I don’t. I’ve had far too much of my own poking, prodding, surgery etc. But you know the feeling.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Maggie..
Tampa, Donkey and Me are still wondering about the house in the canal. Is it on stilts or a houseboat?

TampaRed

flea,
i think she got drunk & forgot us–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Red.
I hope not. She was here this morning but never answered. Did you see that BB is back? He was on Death throes of a party.

TampaRed

no about bb but she finally sobered up,see above us a few posts–

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit

“The schools should be totally responsible for finding each graduate a position in the degree field of study for 5 years post graduation.”

This policy will apply to trade schools too, right?

splurge
splurge

I don’t know where you are, but all over New England they are getting hired (snapped up) even before they graduate the trade schools.

Fritz Berggren

Great article and I’m glad folks are finally paying attention. It’s not the GOP or the Dems, nor even the courts; the education system produces a worldview that is twisted. And no one wants to attack “education.” The truth is, the professors in the universities are our modern secular priests and prophets. It is a religious system all in all. http://bloodandfaith.com/2018/12/10/prophets-and-professors/

Reader
Reader

STEM Don’t use that $100 piece for a test, don’t use a chisel that way and take other people’s tools and leave them somewhere, ruined ANOTHER $100 saw blade, don’t talk to the other employees, and no you didn’t build that you executed Part of somebody else’s idea they turned into a reality and hired you on the way.

DRUD
DRUD

OK…as usual, I’m way late to the party and don’t have sufficient time to read through all the comments and definitely not to organize all my thoughts. Welcome Solutions are Obvious, not a fan of the moniker, because it immediately connotes a lack of nuance…and nuance is really my bread and butter, as any of the nearly one dozen people who read my posts will attest.

So…

Of course the education system is broken, but LLPOH is completely correct that all that would need be done is to remove government money (and thereby remove virtually all of the waste and most of the corruption) from the process. Installing requirements to get graduates jobs, might–MIGHT–work OK in the short term, but it will cause disasters in the long–it will inevitably make room for all new forms of corruption and rent-seeking, as all such regulations do no matter how well conceived or how pure the motives behind them.

By the LLPOH: “It’s easy to to stupid with other people’s money” is definitely a keeper. I could easily see that becoming a whole series of memes.

Message received that you are an ATHEIST. Got it. You don’t believe in flying spaghetti monsters and all 4000 gods and all that spiel.

I don’t understand the term, however. You don’t seem to be a strict deterministic materialist, as I read into your comments on plasma cosmology and morphic resonance (more later). You seem more along the lines of the anti-religious who conflate concepts that ought not be conflated.

I’ve stated my logic on the topic numerous times here, but as you are a newbie, I am obliged to do so once more. The idea comes from Shopenhauer, I think, that all discussion/debate/philosophy everything ultimately breaks down into a semantic exercises. I see it all the time, where I can be having discussions with people and through subtle and diverging connotations of the terms, at some point we are not even discussing the same ideas anymore.

This happens in EVERY SINGLE atheist/religious debate i have ever come across….so the real utility of such has been rendered to zero.

Anyway, the point is that we must define terms before proceeding. This gives constraints to the arguments, at least for those genuinely seeking truth, and forces people to think about things in new ways.

The terms (concepts) that always are conflated are these: faith, religion and God. Vastly different, all one has to do is define the domain boundaries.

Faith is individual.

Religion is human…this tiny blue dot for all of human history (however long that may be, it is not really relevant to this conversation…but an interesting idea for another one.)

God is universal…for all time everywhere. I am not making an assertion here, just setting up a logical framework. If all parties could agree to these simple definitions, better discussions could be had.

To cosmology… I too have been introduced to the whole Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe world and am fascinated. It was an easy sell, because I had already had major doubts about the fundamental assumptions of the Standard Model…we have to make assumptions of course, but we must also be able to question them–which as you say is a strict nono in the major Physics institutions.

One piece you may or may not have seen is the Russian experiment with plasma not just in a vacuum, but in zero-gravity (free fall).
This suggests that it is the LACK of gravity that allows the electromagnetic force to dominate even at long distances–which in turn allows for the shapes we see in the heavens. They make a miniature spiral galaxy and a very convincing miniature black hole.

Take a look:

splurge
splurge

That is a spectacularly interesting video, another rabbit hole to follow.And an excellent comment to lead in.

Someone
Someone

STEM fields have their issues to. Lots of unemployed technical people some with computer science and/or engineering degrees. Many four year public institutions need to be pared down to a bachelors only with the elimination of the education department. There also needs to be a review of the bureaucracy. It’s amazing how VP’s to the assistant VP there are in some of these places.

Also, end the federal guarantee of student loans.

KaD
KaD

A (negro) substitute teacher at Lehman High School in Kyle has been fired and charged after videos posted on social media appeared to show her fighting with a (white) student.

KVUE spoke with the school district and a student in the classroom, who confirmed that the video circulating on social media captured the incident. In the video, you can see the teacher punching the student multiple times, pulling her from her desk and stomping on her head. https://dcdirtylaundry.com/american-race-wars-two-viral-videos-show-black-popeyes-worker-and-black-substitute-teacher-snapping-into-extreme-violence/

Jon

The solution is incredibly simple. Get rid of federally subsidized loans and force students to get loans from private sources again. Let the lenders determine if the student’s path will allow them to repay. Then colleges will have to offer only degrees that have a future, won’t be able to jack up tuition for non-education related spending, etc.

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